The Body Shop has fallen

I don't know what rights these are that are being taken away?

You don't have the right to a single sex toilet on private or public property.

You don't have the right to a single sex changing room on private or public property.

You don't have the right to a single sex prison.

You don't have the right to play a sport against someone of the same sex.

These are not rights. These are things that make sense and make women feel more comfortable but they aren't women's rights or even human rights. No one is trying to take away our 'rights' so that argument doesn't stand. We were never given these things as rights.

The right term should be that trans people, trans women especially, want more privileges and understanding than women will get if this is all allowed but they should get their own privileges and understanding (their own toilets, their own changing rooms, their own leagues in sports etc) because it's taken women since the beginning of time to get these privileges (if you can call it that) and we're still fighting for it now because trans women have now started trying to take it away so why should it just be handed to trans people and be a right when it never has been for women? Like women did the fight for it and trans people can just moan and get it? Fight your own fight should be what is being said, don't latch on to ours and take away what we achieved. We never chose to be female but we are and have had to suffer the disadvantages. If you become trans, realise that you made that choice knowing there's not much provision for you and you won't live as a biological woman but you have options to create your own world. You aren't a woman, you are a trans woman. You can be known as a woman no problem, doesn't affect anyone. No amount of fantasy or shouting will change that you aren't a woman. You can live as a trans woman and come together with other trans women and supporters to create a life and provisions that are comfortable for you but you'll never gets rights to these provisions because women never have, humans never have! Trans people have been granted the same rights as men and women, they will forever fight for equality but who hasn't other than white men? The argument is about trans women wanting to be superior in their privileges above women. If they take spaces, they have an advantage and women have a disadvantage, again! The world shouldn't be like that.

So no, they aren't trying to take away our rights, they want our few privileges to be handed to them on a silver platter and given to them as a right. No way

When we learn to admit that trans women are women we can start using their products again.

Ah. So never, then.

People really do love to underestimate middle aged mums, even when their fortunes are built by them. The Body Shop should ask M&S how that attitude is going.

Welp, never buying from the Body Shop again. Which won't be hard.

I wonder if the people running these corporate social media accounts have any sense at all. No-one was crying out to hear their opinion on this. They didn't have to wade in and try to profit. But they have. I wonder if the genderist crowd will buy enough of their products to offset the women they just drove away?

Something tells me no. That crowd all shop at Lush. The Body Shop doesn't quite have the same aesthetic appeal. They're like a Holland & Barrett frequented by your mum. I wonder if they see the problem there. I wonder if someone is shouting down the phone at someone right now.

No. Not this particular ilk.

So if a straight man wants to attack a transwoman all he has to do is self ID himself as female and be allowed into the womans toilets/changing rooms and he has access to the TW.

isn't it almost like a turkey voting for christmas....?
don't the TW also want safe spaces for women?

GimmeAy would you mind popping your earmuffs on, you're creating a draft.

Seasidetrains
To be fair, you said people are at risk from male violence due to their behaviour more than actual biology (Unless I’ve misunderstood, which I don’t think I have)
ie a man with stereotypical feminine behaviour is as likely to be targeted by male violence.
What people are asking you is if it’s just as much to do with behaviour can you please let us know how to behave so outlet risk from male violence is lessoned?
And if there is no way to behave that will lesson the risk, does it not stand to reason it’s not actually to do with behaviour after all?

I thought Yorkshire tea spoke out for BLM, not trans rights? Or did they do both then? I’m losing track...

'Seasidetrains, I really would be interested to know why you think women wearing t-shirts and jeans that a man could wear without comment are victims of male violence; given that you think violence against women is prompted by feminine dress.'

i never said that violence against women is prompted by feminine dress. to oversimplify your point like you are oversimplifying mine, are you saying that a woman has never been attacked by a man who is shorter or physically weaker than her?
i don't think that's what you are saying, OBVIOUSLY, but it's a bit depressing that i'm trying to discuss these issues civilly and i just keep getting shouted at for supposedly saying that girls like pink and glitter and women are assaulted based on how they dress.

If trans women are women, how can any individual or company use their cause to bully, harass and humiliate a woman for tweeting about a fairer world for people who menstruate?

Sheer hypocrisy. Just take down the gender pay gap reports, Body Shop. The pretence is embarrassing.

@GrimSisters

Please could someone explain what ratioed means? Sorry, Twitter newbie here.

I’m not worried it isn’t ratiod anymore - of course the trans supporters will go and like it when it gains publicity. Doesn’t alter the fact there is clear strength of feeling against it from their target market.

The ironic thing is that the Body Shop have a gender pay gap of 75%, which they try to explain away by saying that most of the people in the low paid shop jobs are women, and most of the people in the well paid office jobs are men.

I mean what can you do if women just keep choosing to do these badly paid jobs....

Please could someone explain what ratioed means? Sorry, Twitter newbie here.

Don’t sweat it’s When we learn to admit that trans women are women we can start using their products again.

Emma Watson has tweeted in support of trans rights.

I wonder if she’d feel the same if she found herself in a female changing room alongside trans woman Karen White?

The Body Shop tweet was ratioed at first but not any more.

Oh, I am a regular Body Shop customer so I am genuinely upset to read this. I won't be buying from them anymore.

Another band wagon jumping idiot company to boycott then

Anita Roddick will be turning in her grave

After years of campaigning against animal testing she sold out to the single largest group of companies using animal testing on cosmetics!

Havent used BS since she stuck two fingers up to her customers back then so i dont believe she would give a toss about them now.

Oh good! I love Yorkshire tea. In fact we just bought a huge box of hundreds of tea bags. And I’ll make sure to keep buying them.

1. In terms of demographics who buys products from The Body Shop?

It’s a crowded market and their products are expensive.

Do they think alienating the people who will both potentially want and can afford their products is a good idea?

Seasidetrains, I really would be interested to know why you think women wearing t-shirts and jeans that a man could wear without comment are victims of male violence; given that you think violence against women is prompted by feminine dress.