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JK new post on her reasons for writing about gender

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BlackKite · 10/06/2020 17:13

www.jkrowling.com/opinions/j-k-rowling-writes-about-her-reasons-for-speaking-out-on-sex-and-gender-issues/

Enjoy

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CaraDune · 11/06/2020 15:54

Naomi "death recorded" Wolf, the non-historian who tried to write a history book, who when it was pointed out to her (live on air by a specialist in 19th century history) that "death recorded" meant "death sentence commuted to imprisonment" simply doubled down on her mistaken interpretation.

She isn't the brightest bulb.

RedTravellingSocks · 11/06/2020 15:51

Oh what a surprise that Naomi Wolf can't even define her most basic terms Hmm

GingerAndTheBiscuits · 11/06/2020 15:31

Husband should have a question mark there.

GingerAndTheBiscuits · 11/06/2020 15:30

@ValancyRedfern

India Knight has suggested she supports JKR in a cautious way.
Do you mean her tweet about having “lots to say”? I think that’s about her partner (husband) being arrested on child abuse image charges.
hypernormal · 11/06/2020 15:28

Enormouscroc There is absolutely no discongruence between sympathising for transgender people and not wishing to have women's rights essentially abolished by the GRA. This is the lie that is pushed to shame women into compliance.

MotherForkinShirtBalls · 11/06/2020 15:24

@MotherForkinShirtBalls

Dances could you screenshot from the fragrant Aidan C? I think my only ever interaction with him was to like some tweets of his a few years back (before he discovered the tra agenda) but I appear to be blocked Confused
Don't mind me, I remembered the incognito tab.
WomaninBoots · 11/06/2020 15:22

I have emailed JK to tell her I love her. Well to say thank you anyway. Professions of love might be a bit too weird.

I also emailed my MP (Scotland). No idea how that is going to go down. Suspect I'll get a lecture that TWAW... but meh. 🤷‍♀️

Still not gone full Facebook share. Still thinking about it.

MotherForkinShirtBalls · 11/06/2020 15:17

Dances could you screenshot from the fragrant Aidan C? I think my only ever interaction with him was to like some tweets of his a few years back (before he discovered the tra agenda) but I appear to be blocked Confused

OldCrone · 11/06/2020 15:16

Naomi Wolf is confused about what a woman is (no surprise there) and doesn't know the difference between sex and gender.

"If sex isn't real, the lived reality of women globally is erased." Such a reductive view of women's "lived reality." And there is no fixed "truth" about "what sex is." Views of female gender have changed over centuries.

11 tweets of absolute drivel here:
twitter.com/naomirwolf/status/1270844668813639680

Enormouscroc · 11/06/2020 15:12

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This has been withdrawn by MNHQ as requested by the OP.

334bu · 11/06/2020 15:09

Another Scottish MSP supports JK
mobile.twitter.com/RBFMaguire/status/1271011353852096516

FantaOra · 11/06/2020 15:01

"What message are female children taking from all this? The values they'd better not dare breach don't include them."

Fortunately Stephanie from Transgender Trend was on the show to say exactly that to this headmaster, and to tell him he's on the side of the bullies. He denied all this of course and kept saying that she wasn't the right role model.

No woman is good enough for these shitty little men.

NeurotrashWarrior · 11/06/2020 14:59

Thanks Datun.
I'm being drawn to task over supporting a medical professional for sharing JKs letter

Perfect thank you! .

YgritteSnow · 11/06/2020 14:43

Do you mean India Willoughby. India has gone the whole hog, all possible surgeries etc. I think India resents that others can just turn up and self ID without doing sweet FA.

Datun · 11/06/2020 14:39

How do you phrase that question; why are tw w without saying anything sexist..?

Do you mean how you define the word woman without resorting to sexist stereotypes?

Because it's just that. If transwomen are women, you need to define the word woman in that sentence.

And if it's not adult human female, of or denoting the sex who bear eggs, then what is it?

I don't think you'll have to ask anything more leading than that.

What you generally get in reply is a disagreement about the definition adult human female, due to intersex, and then you lose the will to live and open the wine.

Because they can't actually answer your specific question without being sexist.

The point at which they refuse to answer question is the point at which you know they can't, and you can thankfully leave the conversation (taking what little is left of the wine with you).

MrsDarcyIwish · 11/06/2020 14:39

Long time lurker on FWR.

So moved and very, very grateful for what JKR has done for us all.

I have sent en email expressing my gratitude and support.

I would like to send one to Emma Watson aswell but can't find an address. Can anyone help with that?

The Body Shop will also be hearing from me Angry

NeurotrashWarrior · 11/06/2020 14:38

Yes THAT was a senior moment.

Juggling kids, work and home schooling while keeping up with FWR is taxing on the brain...

SirVixofVixHall · 11/06/2020 14:37

I think you are mixing up your Indias, India Willoughby is the trans person. India Knight is the writer.

NeurotrashWarrior · 11/06/2020 14:36

Oops sorry, entirely different India....

NeurotrashWarrior · 11/06/2020 14:34

India is full on terf because India fully believes India is full woman.

I think... would India use male toilets?

Whositgonnabe · 11/06/2020 14:31

@Soconfused2020 I feel exactly the same. I just don't understand why what she said would be deemed as transphobic.

I related to her essay in more ways than one... I wept at certain parts... and I scoured the paragraphs for anything that could be taken as an offence to any group of people, and I genuinely couldn't see any.

I can't understand the backlash.

The only way I can make any sense of it is that the trans activists are simply defensive because they know on a deep level that she's right. I'm afraid to say but the aggression of some comments coming from trans activists just remind me of the (general / stereotypical) aggression of men. Is that transphobic of me? Is that a sexist comment? I honestly don't know anymore!

But I am glad the conversation is happening nonetheless. I don't know a lot about it but I do believe women's rights need to be protected from men... All types of men...even if they identify as women. At the same time, genuine transwomen also need to be protected from men. There's a running theme here...

Dances · 11/06/2020 14:29

Beardo doing a good summary for us

mobile.twitter.com/AidanCTweets/status/1271046231456874496

ValancyRedfern · 11/06/2020 14:29

India Knight has suggested she supports JKR in a cautious way.

NeurotrashWarrior · 11/06/2020 14:28

Whoop!

@Datun

How do you phrase that question; why are tw w without saying anything sexist..?

I can't get it right in my head.

Dances · 11/06/2020 14:27

Jennifer Saunders? Excellent!