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JK new post on her reasons for writing about gender

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BlackKite · 10/06/2020 17:13

www.jkrowling.com/opinions/j-k-rowling-writes-about-her-reasons-for-speaking-out-on-sex-and-gender-issues/

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MiddlesexGirl · 11/06/2020 20:15

Thank you Datun / CaveMum / OldCrone.
I'm formulating my plans to be courageous.
Stats like these need to be more widely known.

beargrass · 11/06/2020 20:14

Delurking.

  • Thank you JKR Thanks
  • Thank you MNers, who reignited my passion for reading up on VAWG and this world my poor DD will grow up in Thanks
  • Thank you MNHQ for hosting the debate Thanks
  • Thank you to my MP for listening to my words Thanks

I've observed, researched, and read. For a few years. I know what it costs to say "this is not right". It's costing me right now at work. It is awful to have to do this but those of us that can, have got to give serious consideration to standing up and being counted. We have to do it for our sisters who can't.

We truly are living through one of the worst times in which to be a woman. If you'd told me I'd have spent time reading and researching what I have, 20 years ago, I'd never have believed you.

JKR, MNers, MNHQ and my MP (I hope I can count him), keep on keeping on, we are behind you, we are talking among ourselves and we need you. We are here. We are listening. We are organising.

Love and peace ThanksDaffodil

LouHotel · 11/06/2020 20:12

Jennifer Saunders retweet is huge for me, I don't think Kathy Burke is on social media but it would be the holy trinity of women I admire having the same morals as I do.

GrouchyKiwi · 11/06/2020 20:09

Fairenuff Thanks. I have been called a gender essentialist and asked if I believe a woman's place is in the kitchen. WHAT?!

Icantreachthepretzels · 11/06/2020 20:08

It's wonderful that JKR so clearly lives by the amazing and important lessons that she puts into her own books.

'when the time comes to make a choice between doing what is easy and what is right...'

Jo did what was right and stood up for Women's rights and keeps on telling the truth in the face of a gas lighting and bullying onslaught very reminiscent of the one she wrote about in OOTP when the Daily Prophet was going out of its way to ridicule, harass and discredit a school boy for stating a truth people didn't want to hear. She knew what hatred looked like, and how the media could turn against you and vilify you even before social media was a thing - and yet she stood up to be counted anyway.

Meanwhile, The Dolores Umbridge Award for Doing What is Easy goes to Daniel Radcliffe, Emma Watson, Evanna Lynch, Eddie Redmayne and the Cho Chang actress.

With an honourable mention (Fudge's runner up Prize for Backing Away from the Truth) to Mr. Jonathan Ross

OldCrone · 11/06/2020 20:07

MiddlesexGirl

From the Telegraph last year about prisoners identifying as transgender.

One in 50 prisoners identifies as transgender amid concerns inmates are attempting to secure prison perks

Lots of statistics here:

medium.com/@evastanford/transwomen-sexual-offenders-a-closer-look-6c507d9e2414

tilder · 11/06/2020 20:01

Thank you JKR.

Whatsnewpussyhat · 11/06/2020 19:48

I don’t think there will be a solution that makes everyone happy so it’s going to be about the least harm to as few people as possible

To do the least harm to as few as possible would be not to pretend the biology of 51% of the earth's human population was irrelevant.

IHateCoronavirus · 11/06/2020 19:45

I’m assuming you can see why that’s inflammatory and painful to many trans people?
I can see why they would find it painful. That empathy is why the majority of people respect the trans people that we know and use their chosen name and pronouns to reflect the gender that they feel most aligned to.
However is it inflammatory? No it is the truth. As other pp have said if that truth is so difficult to live with, they need to be given support. Eroding the rights of others to keep up the pretence will help no one.

Gotoworkdontgotowork · 11/06/2020 19:32

If I saw anyone, you included, giving a fuck about what in all this is inflammatory and painful to female people,

I do. I think your ideas of solutions and my ideas of solutions are not the same. I don’t think there will be a solution that makes everyone happy so it’s going to be about the least harm to as few people as possible.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 11/06/2020 19:29

I’m assuming you can see why that’s inflammatory and painful to many trans people?

If reality is inflammatory and painful for someone they need psychiatric support, and possibly medication. It is not possible to change reality in such a ways as to render it non-inflammatory.

boatyardblues · 11/06/2020 19:23

I have emailed the marvellous JKR.

SoberCurious · 11/06/2020 19:19

I bloody love that woman!

YourVagesty · 11/06/2020 19:18

@ItsLeviooosar

I'd be really interested in his response to that email - would you please consider sharing with us when you hear back? I can't believe they wrote that cunty, snarky tweet in response to what JK wrote.

Fairenuff · 11/06/2020 19:17

Grouchy well done. Remember to step back from the gaslighting if people start to bully you.

Courage to calls to courage.

CaveMum · 11/06/2020 19:16

MiddlesexGirl, Datun is probably referencing these figures from Fair Play For Women

fairplayforwomen.com/prison-data-confirmed/

Fairenuff · 11/06/2020 19:15

It isn’t necessarily a bad thing. But “stating sex is real” has become a code for saying: trans women are not women they are male and therefore are men and always will be men. And trans men are not men, they were born female so they will always be women.

It's not even a code and it shouldn't have to be. It's a true fact. What do they teach in GCSE biology these days?

Datun · 11/06/2020 19:13

This is the link to the information and the FOI. If that specific link doesn't take you directly to it, search the site.

Michelleoftheresistance · 11/06/2020 19:13

I’m assuming you can see why that’s inflammatory and painful to many trans people?

If I saw anyone, you included, giving a fuck about what in all this is inflammatory and painful to female people, I might take you more seriously.

As it is, I'll point out a very old phrase to you: 'driven to the discourtesy'.

What you're essentially saying to female humans is be quiet and be nice while we erase you and ban your rights. And with all due respect, fuck that.

Datun · 11/06/2020 19:12

As I said it's not one in 50 men who are sex offenders.

It's of those who identify as women.

The general consensus is that it's because they have autogynephilia, and men who have one paraphilia will often have more.

Statistically.

MiddlesexGirl · 11/06/2020 19:03

@Datun

I'm sick of all this fear mongering about the GRA, there's little to no chance that a man would go to the effort of declaring a change of gender just to infiltrate women's spaces.

And I'm sick of the ignorance, or if it's not ignorance, lies.

You can shove your 'little or no chance', and tell it to the one in 50 sex offenders in prison who are identifying as women in order to access female prisons. And succeeding.

Do you think all these women are playing games?? Do you think J. K. Rowling is playing a fucking game?

Can you imagine being sent to prison, with, at best, a statistically 50/50 chance that you are already suffering from a head injury due to domestic abuse, and finding that you have been housed with serial paedophile and violent rapist Karen White?

Idiots.

Datun - could you give the source for the one in 50 sex offenders in prisons identifying as women?

That's a horrific statistic.

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 11/06/2020 18:52

Good luck, Grouchy. I've shared gc posts before on fb, had very muted response or none at all. I'm not feeling in a good place to do it right now, but I will at some point.

CaraDune · 11/06/2020 18:52

@RedToothBrush

Equally though an employer insisting that employees must believe in God, always wear a cross and never take the Lords Name in vain or face being dismissed wouldn't be OK

So why is it employers are being compelled and abused for not wearing pronoun badges or having pronouns in their email signature and must answer the right way in diversity training on pain of being dismissed if they fail to do so?

Totally agree. It's appalling.

(Mercifully they haven't tried it in our workplace, though some of my woke colleagues have circulated "why you should be a good ally by putting pronouns in your signature" shit. Fortunately there are some out gender-critical women scientists there too who've said "and here's why you may not want to.")

GrouchyKiwi · 11/06/2020 18:48

I have nailed my colours to the mast and shared the post on Facebook. I don't have a job to lose, as a SAHM, but I am worried about the comments I'll get (and the private messages from friends I know I will have upset). I am not sure whether it will be good for my mental health.

But. JKR was courageous so I can be too.

Gotoworkdontgotowork · 11/06/2020 18:25

Just seen it covered on BBC 6 o clock news in more depth (ish). I think most of the public are going to look at it all and go wtf! Haven’t got a clue what any of this means.