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JK new post on her reasons for writing about gender

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BlackKite · 10/06/2020 17:13

www.jkrowling.com/opinions/j-k-rowling-writes-about-her-reasons-for-speaking-out-on-sex-and-gender-issues/

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Tiggering · 10/06/2020 21:44

This is a beautifully written and heartfelt response to the awful tweets she received. I just shared it on Facebook and I’m waiting to see if I loose any friends over it.

CheerfuIPotato · 10/06/2020 21:44

I cannot stress enough my distaste for Jameela Jamil and her - literal - tweetings. She’s like an annoying budgie chirping away.

Michelleoftheresistance · 10/06/2020 21:43

I honestly think what is going to happen is that the trans lobby will shout loudest and will get their way, until enough women are hurt and many more are unable to take part in public life because they’re to frightened to leave their houses if they can’t access women only toilets, and the general public see what’s happened and we get our spaces back.

Once done, this will be almost impossible to undo, however awful the impact upon female people. Another reason to keep urging the govt not to rush into this without very careful thought.

How could it be undone? It would then be framed as removing rights. You couldn't create a new space for females; the issue now is that saying that female humans are different from males who identify as women, and those females have specific needs for spaces of their own and times when sex is recognised as the deciding factor denies validation of identity.

That is the sticking point. That all the time you meet female people's needs you deny validation of identity to the 100% degree demanded for those male people requiring it. That drive for validation is why no female need matters or can be heard or recognised.

The issue here is fear of boundaries, and to say no. That needs will be met, but that 100% cannot be agreed where it conflicts with meeting the needs and rights of another group. Now it would still be possible to separate gender from sex, and to provide third spaces. The public anger likely to be raised in the case of the inevitable harm to female people is another very serious concern.

CheerfuIPotato · 10/06/2020 21:42

I have no doubt that Emma Watson will throw JK under the bus but more subtley after seeing the moderate criticism her castmates have had.

I wonder what Rupert Grint thinks.

Kit19 · 10/06/2020 21:42

If Emma Watson comments at all it will 100#% be TWAW & how sad she is at JK comments

She got on the TWAW bus a loooong time ago

Enderthedragon · 10/06/2020 21:41

Funnily enough, Jameela Jamil has been tweeting this evening, but hasn't mentioned this, usually she is all over this stuff like a rash!

Franku · 10/06/2020 21:40

I loved it so much I had a cry and then fell asleep. Thank you Jo, you speak for so many of us, and express it better than I ever could.

Enderthedragon · 10/06/2020 21:39

Emma Watson has retweeted a tweet from Paris Lees about donating to a charity for black trans people. I wonder if that is all she is going to say on it, or if she will comment further?

YourVagesty · 10/06/2020 21:38

I had a moment of semi-clarity earlier where I realised that Twitter is really just the official forum for 'right-think'. It isn't for everyone and those who don't toe the party line should just stop trying to shove their square peg in a round hole, and leave them to their ever decreasing circles of victimhood and hysteria.

It's a playground for the worst type of people. Better not to engage. I now view it as a toxic medium, like all the macho forums where Incels hang out.

KatySun · 10/06/2020 21:38

It is very well-written and powerful.

As a survivor of domestic and sexual abuse, I think writing that takes an incredible amount of bravery. It dismays me that women have to give away so much of themselves to make what should be simple arguments about the need for same sex female spaces.

I also would like to say that I think JKR’s daughter sounds amazing too.

OceanOrchid · 10/06/2020 21:36

I’m really surprised at the guardian. I expected a more “transphobic witch” response from them. Maybe they realised that their left-learning audience wouldn’t take kindly to them being horrible to a domestic abuse and sexual assault survivor.

PenOrPencil · 10/06/2020 21:36

Every time I think I couldn’t possibly like JKR any more she ups her game ❤️

lrh3891 · 10/06/2020 21:36

I haven't read all the comments, the thread is too long. But I read the first 100 or so earlier and felt so positive, so uplifted, so...validated. And then I read this

https://www.vulture.com/2020/06/jk-rowling-anti-transgender-comments-blog.html?gl=11hg11obobgaYW1wLW1TQS1rWlh3ZmZEZ0FkUjBwa0YxUGpadUtvRDduZHd0b0hjeTN2NkN2LTgwMFR3M0V0WGFmZUxRbmp1cnNJY1Y.

DeRigueurMortis · 10/06/2020 21:35

Fuck it....

I've shared it on Facebook - if there's one way I can thank her it's supporting her publicly (note I know this isn't possible for everyone) and if I lose some friends then I'm at a point I really don't give a shit anymore.

NeverTalksToStrangers · 10/06/2020 21:35

I have loved this woman for years. She is incredible. Talented, intelligent, eloquent, funny. Wow. Just wow.

I'm actually disgusted at Radcliffe and Redmayne.

TreestumpsAndTrampolines · 10/06/2020 21:35

I just read it and shared on facebook (I've followed and been liking things like fairplay for women for months - maybe years - and just recently stepped up comments after my sister said some ridiculous stuff).

Now is a turning point, thanks to her wonderful self - she can reach so many people who just wouldn't believe us otherwise because it's just so, so insane what's being asked of women.

TheSingingKettle49 · 10/06/2020 21:32

I had taken a break from Mumsnet for a while but when I saw this on Twitter I had to come back for a bit of sense before my head explodes!

Looking at Twitter people seem to be framing this as ‘trans people are the most vulnerable group ever so no one can ever say anything about them ever, so shut up woman’

It’s totally reasonable for women to have concerns for their own safety and not want to share spaces where they may have to undress or be in a vulnerable situation with people who have different and stronger bodies than they do.

It’s also ridiculous to suggest that some men, a small minority I grant you, won’t use the opportunity to get into women’s spaces to harm women, especially vulnerable women like women in prisons or hospitals.

I honestly think what is going to happen is that the trans lobby will shout loudest and will get their way, until enough women are hurt and many more are unable to take part in public life because they’re to frightened to leave their houses if they can’t access women only toilets, and the general public see what’s happened and we get our spaces back.

MattBerrysHair · 10/06/2020 21:30

Marvellous brave woman. I'm still too afraid of the backlash share it on SM.

NotTerfNorCis · 10/06/2020 21:27

Twitter spin... "Many critics are calling the essay transphobic."

J.K. Rowling defends her controversial comments about transgender people

twitter.com/i/events/1270791381187874816

Iggi999 · 10/06/2020 21:26

This was brilliant. I never expected this.
Wow.

DeRigueurMortis · 10/06/2020 21:23

Bloody hell reading that mad me cry Blush

Thank you JKR and I hope Daniel and Eddie are the first to apologise to you when they've read that - though frankly I doubt they will do either because they can't see their misogyny through the veil of wokeness they wear over their male privilege, preaching from a platform you in part or whole were response for providing them.

AyeRobot · 10/06/2020 21:21

Fantastic, Jo.

And yes to thanking Justine because without MN being a platform I don't think she'd have got to such clarity. I really hope Jo is a MNer, but even if not the ripples that have come from this platform into the wider world have led to this place.

And thanks to Dittany - she was one of the fabulous women that laid the foundation for that platform to be the women - centered place it is, flaws though there may be. We tried to stop you being thrown under the bus, but rest assured that you gave many of us the confidence to stand up for women without apology.

bookworm29 · 10/06/2020 21:16

I'm a longtime lurker here who has admired JK Rowling as an author for a long time. I'm now so in awe of her intelligence, compassion and bravery that I had to post.

I felt an incredible sense of being seen and valued as a woman when I read this, which brought tears to my eyes. I'm so grateful to her for sacrificing her peace of mind and privacy for the benefit of other women and children. She has inspired to me to learn more, say more and do more as a feminist myself.

Thank you JK. You are incredible ❤️

Imonlymoominafterall · 10/06/2020 21:15

JK didn't have to do this. Thank you JK from one not as brave as you.

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