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JK new post on her reasons for writing about gender

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BlackKite · 10/06/2020 17:13

www.jkrowling.com/opinions/j-k-rowling-writes-about-her-reasons-for-speaking-out-on-sex-and-gender-issues/

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OldCrone · 11/06/2020 10:11

CaveMum It was on at about 8.40. It wasn't so much balanced as just a brief synopsis of what she said without any comment. What was missing was any mention of the sort of abuse she'd received as a result of her tweets at the weekend.

CaveMum · 11/06/2020 10:05

Apparently they discussed this on Radio4 this morning (two men discussing it, natch). Does anyone know what time so I can listen back? Apparently it was surprisingly balanced.

ChattyLion · 11/06/2020 10:03

Flowers Red
I’d love to think that this farrago is hopefully the last gasp before the tide turns (I’m not sure how genuinely hopeful I feel of that but can’t ever lose all hope) but Jesus it’s depressing to see it all confirmed how anti woman our society is, isnt it.

RedTravellingSocks · 11/06/2020 09:58

It’s top of the news agenda because people are so fucking worried that by saying what she’s said about the parlous state of women’s and children’s rights.. that she’s potentially offended some men’s feelings. Men (and the women who collude in this) literally cannot stand to have male supremacy questioned. So they are lashing out at her.

Yep. This. White male supremacy must be allowed to continue unchallenged. Nothing has changed. Nothing.

I am so sick and tired.

ByGrabtharsHammerWhatASavings · 11/06/2020 09:56

Interesting things I have learnt about the body shop this week:

They have an MLM as part of their business model. As we know these are predatory and exploitative and disproportionately target women in general an flow income mothers in particular.

They have an all male board of directors.

They consistently fail to report on their "gender" pay gap.

Seems that like so many other businesses TBS is crystal clear on what sex every body is when they're deciding who to promote, who to underpay, and who to exploit. So to hear them being openly misogynistic towards a sexual abuse survivor... Can't say I'm surprised. I'd say the mask has slipped but it wasn't really on to begin with.

KenDodd · 11/06/2020 09:55

I wonder if lots of young actors are worried about their careers so don't feel able to speak out.

ChattyLion · 11/06/2020 09:52

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53002557

I keep writing and losing posts on this, but though this is more factual coverage than usual for the BBC (which is great) and is currently massively prominent in the news agenda- also great for raising awareness of the misogyny and homophobia that this cultural manifestation of the tran dogma revolves around.... AND obviously it is fabulous that JKR as our probably most globally prominent UK literary cultural figure is speaking up...despite considerable personal cost to her..

it all just shows how far we’ve sunk into misogyny, homophobia and an authoritarian, mendacious, anti-scientific dogma that is dangerously erosive of children’s rights and boundaries, of women’s rights and opportunities and is all about privileging men’s sexual rights.

So a prominent female UK cultural figure says:
"We're living through the most misogynistic period I've experienced," she continued.
"Back in the 80s, I imagined that my future daughters, should I have any, would have it far better than I ever did, but between the backlash against feminism and a porn-saturated online culture, I believe things have got significantly worse for girls.
"Never have I seen women denigrated and dehumanised to the extent they are now."

Let what she’s said sink in.

What is boggling is that the reaction to that isn’t immediately ’Fucking hell, that sounds absolutely awful for women, what on earth have we become, how can we fix this?’

The reaction to that is instead: ‘fucking hell, you could really hurt some men’s feelings by saying that, you better shut the fuck up now or be cancelled (or worse).’

I do want to celebrate because this ‘row’ on the mainstream news agenda is exactly what is needed to wake people up who aren’t aware of this political cultural capture.
That’s fantastic because the whole agenda all falls apart once people ask any kind of sensible normal questions.

But on the other hand it’s fucking depressing because the whole reason it’s top of the news agenda is not because it’s a wake up call about women’s rights that JKR has rightly made and we’re all worrying about how best to fix it.

It’s top of the news agenda because people are so fucking worried that by saying what she’s said about the parlous state of women’s and children’s rights.. that she’s potentially offended some men’s feelings. Men (and the women who collude in this) literally cannot stand to have male supremacy questioned. So they are lashing out at her.

When are we as a society, or the media going to pay equal attention as this to the actual content of what she has said, about how fucked things are for women at the moment?

CaveMum · 11/06/2020 09:51

Apatently Tom Felton (Draco) liked her tweet, though the like has since disappeared. Someone got a screenshot so hopefully this is the start of him being peaked.

How funny that Draco may turn out to be the better person than Harry 😜

YinMnBlue · 11/06/2020 09:32

Why are TRA’s not challenging Body Shop’s ‘only men shave’ message?
www.thebodyshop.com/en-gb/face/mens-shaving/c/c00147

YinMnBlue · 11/06/2020 09:26

Haha at the Body Shop. Some twerp in their comms department hoping to be the next Greggs Vegan Sausage Roll hero (Hello Piers...)

YRGAM · 11/06/2020 09:23

@Supergranscape

Glad I recently bought JKRs Robert Galbraith books. Wanted something to read in lockdown. Got called a 'Karen' yesterday by a bearded young man. Who also called me cis. I'm 70 years old for heavens sake. He quickly shut up. Not one one word of hate in JKs posts. The post last night so powerful. I am a feminist and a lesbian. #IstandwithJKRowling
These people are old-school misogynists. Nothing more sophisticated than that. They have just found a 'progressive' cover in which to disguise it.
nauticant · 11/06/2020 09:16

One positive is just about everyone seems to have forgotten her mentioning Tara Wolf in her Ickabog tweet.

YinMnBlue · 11/06/2020 09:13

JKR has paid people the compliment of assuming we can all listen to and discuss issues even when we don’t agree. She has laid out her thinking in detail, with openness and honesty.

The biggest catastrophe of this whole thing is that it now has to be considered brave to explain an opinion.

Look. If there are literally thousands and thousands of people who ‘Stand with JKR’ could you not risk... you know, actually standing with her?

All in one day, maybe?

Actually, you do not even have to agree with everything she says to stand with her right to calmly say what she thinks.

Do we actually believe that Courage Calls to Courage? Can we hear the call? Do we ignore it? Hide it?

Designate a day. All come out of hiding at once.

Nordstrom · 11/06/2020 09:13

Thank you JKR. Your brilliance and power has brightened my morning.

Dances · 11/06/2020 09:10

Muriel Grey

Always loved her.
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WokeUpSmeltTheCoffee · 11/06/2020 09:02

Love, love loved this

Amazing writing. It so good that she is using her articulate voice and her profile for good despite the personal cost.

Does anyone have a link to donate to her foundation. It sounds like they are working for exactly the causes I'd want to support.

Sandybval · 11/06/2020 08:55

Thank goodness there are men like him to tell us how we feel.

Ihaventgottimeforthis · 11/06/2020 08:54

Well listening to R5 Live this morning and a man who runs a wizarding gift shop in Brighton was on the radio telling me to be kind and it's not hurting anyone for women to have to accept males into their spaces when they don't want to, so my mind is totally changed...

jhuizinga · 11/06/2020 08:53

Thank you, JK, if you are reading this. Your integrity and intelligence just bounce off the page and couldn't be in greater contrast to the mendacity and stupidity of your detractors.

GibbertyFlibbet · 11/06/2020 08:46

Thank you JKR.

meg70 · 11/06/2020 08:44

It's an amazing piece of writing. I'm going to send a card too...to her publishers, is that the best bet? I will re-read again and again. I have sent the link on to my 2 sisters and 5 of my friends this morning and hope the penny drops for them. Thank you Jo, you are truly awesome.

NotTerfNorCis · 11/06/2020 08:41

You've probably already seen this - an article on the BBC which is relatively balanced. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53002557

What stood out for me in the article is the absence of the word 'cis'. There are also quotes from Rowling and Stephanie Davies-Arai explaining the GC position.

Progress?

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 11/06/2020 08:38

Also I know his publicist probably wrote it for him but the difference between Radcliffe's statement and Rowling's couldn't be more stark. Empty virtue signalling nonsense versus a from the heart explanation of why Rowling believes what she believes. I know which person I'm more inclined to take seriously going forward, and it's not just because I agree with Rowling about this particular issue.

Flowers for her daughter too, and her lovely supportive husband, and everyone in her life who's supporting her through all of this. One can only hope that the sheer ridiculousness of seeing the most famous author in the world viciously attacked for saying things that almost everyone agrees with will nudge the public debate about all of this in a more reality based direction.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 11/06/2020 08:33

She's wonderful, and she shouldn't have to reveal her personal stake in all of this to have her opinion taken seriously. If it's used against her (and it probably will be) that will simply prove that she's right and that the unacknowledged backdrop to all of this is deep seated societal misogyny.

Flowers, Joanna, and some Wine if you need it. Women all over the world have your back.

Oxyiz · 11/06/2020 08:24

I really hate the current use of the name "Karen". Its always filled with such contempt at women, it can be thrown at any woman who does anything they don't like, and there is no equivalent sneer for men.

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