Pro-woman is just a euphemism for transphobic

It's weird though. We get accused of not wanting to enter into debate and yet any questions we ask rarely get answered.

I say weird, what I mean is par for the course.

Maybe we need a dedicated "questions for TRAs" thread where there is just a list of questions to answer and they can reply without us pesky women interrupting

@datun you’ll always find extreme examples if you look hard enough.

But you don't have to look at all hard, do you? That's why female only spaces were created in the first place.

Male aggression and violence is not rare.

I've just read JKR's piece - absolutely fucking amazing. I'm not sure whether this is thread to appropriately gush about it, because her writing deserves better than this shitshow of a thread but to paraphrase - fucking yes!

Another link to it, just because. And posts can very easily get missed around here!
www.jkrowling.com/opinions/j-k-rowling-writes-about-her-reasons-for-speaking-out-on-sex-and-gender-issues/

Its always the same.
They plop.
They leave.
Never any substance.

What makes me laugh is they use the articulate well thought out posts and explanations as proof of transphobe but make accusations of bigotry without putting in any effort.
They just name call. Its all they have.
Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me.

For anyone who's missed it.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3934845-JK-new-post-on-her-reasons-for-writing-about-gender

And remember, we may not be able to identify the misogynists, but you will always be the ones who hate women.

I'm deeply saddened at how prejudiced and intolerant people in this country are. I thought things were improving but it feels like we are going backwards

Agree, the sustained assault being waged to remove all rights for females is trying to drag us back into the Dark Ages, but don't worry, you can rest easy, there are swathes of us prepared to fight to our very last breath to uphold the rights of females to safety, privacy and dignity and to retain the ability to use the language they want to describe themselves and stop any imposition of othering and dehumanising language upon us.

Hold on a minute

Transsexual is flagged by stonewall as outdated and exclusionary

Transgender is not the same, it is a wider group that includes cross dressers, part time cross dressers, non binary people etc

A person can have penis testicles, present 'as a man' with beard etc, and use women's spaces if they internally identify as female. Girls and women are advised never to question if they see a person like this in a women's space.

Old school transsexual people, who are being truly fucked over by current trans activism, are called 'truscum' if they don't agree with what is going on.

Good on you OP for speaking out against the MN anti trans nutters.

Hmmm. Bump into a nutter on MN and ..... you bumped into a nutter. Bump into a whole load of nutters on MN and ...... it's highly probable that you're the nutter!

Burgundy1844

datun you’ll always find extreme examples if you look hard enough.

Lol. And there you were, not a moment before, saying you disagreed with it.

This isn't an extreme example, its policy.

Anyway, J. K. Rowling has just changed the world.

And I'm bored with all this misogyny.

Well, I think it is gin for me now. The crickets are calling.

Thank you everyone for proving my point about how transphobic mumsnet are. It's validated why I don't bother discussing the topic on here. I'm hiding the thread now

Translates to “I can’t answer your questions honestly, so I’m going to hide for a bit, keep checking in the page and hope I find some actual transphobia to screenshot, then name change and come back shouting at the not nice, women”.

...and after what she has been through

JKR is amazing: no hate, just clear well thought out and heartfelt writing

Greyt you have been transphobic on two occasions now that I've seen.
Do you wish to apologise?
Once you referred to 'pregnant women'.
Now you say transgender people are transsexuals. Conflating gender with sex means you're not listening to people whose gender differs from their sex.

I'm sure you won't respond, because you didn't before, but do you acknowledge that your views are transphobic?

let tranwomen into female spaces if that's where they feel most comfortable, and if you don't, then try on your clothes elsewhere

Brilliant. We can have a third space. I’m down with that. What shall we call it? Since male bodied people who identify as trans, want to be in the places labelled ‘female’, we could call it something like ‘born female’. Of course women can discuss any number of options for the name. So all the women that don’t feel that their dignity and feelings of safety is being maintained in the formally female spaces, we can use the new space. Great! So I assume the male bodied people who identify as trans, will continue to use the spaces originally designed for females and stay out of the third spaces, won’t they? Is that acceptable to you?

Wonderful JK Rowling

I really need to write and thank her for continuing to stand up to this new wave misogyny seeking to exclude and disenfranchise female humans as some subordinate, lesser class. Particularly those females who dare to question or stand up for themselves.

I just want to say to things.

1. I am constantly amazed by the articulate, intelligent women on MN who take the time to explain and discuss this issue. It really is wonderful how clearly you present the arguments. It is so obvious which posters have considered the issues in depth and which have not.

2. It gives me a lot of hope to see how the mood has changed on MN. More and more people are coming to realise the implications of replacing sex with gender. The more light that is shone on the demands of TRAs, the more it becomes clear how ridiculous their demands actually are.

Reposting the link again, because it was such a well thought out and insightful piece of writing

www.jkrowling.com/opinions/j-k-rowling-writes-about-her-reasons-for-speaking-out-on-sex-and-gender-issues/

@GreytExpectations A transwoman is a male-to-female transsexual. Pretty common knowledge. No, it's a pretty common misconception. A transsexual has had full surgery to make their genitals appear to be those of the opposite sex. "Transwoman" means nothing of the kind, these men keep their fully functioning penises & simply insist the world now call these female genitals.
This is the first time I've commented on a Feminist post I think, but I'm extremely active in the "real" world spreading the word on this. Virtually everyone I talk to believed as I initially did that it was transsexuals who were being discussed, for whom they all had sympathy/empathy & are all as horrified as I am by the reality. I'm part of a group that we individually made thousands of women - and more than a few men - in our city aware of what's happening & awoke
militancy in them. We continue to do so.

I'm too long in the tooth & have neither the patience nor inclination to pander to anyone's personal fantasy at my expense. Men aren't women. It's the most basic fact of life there is & will continue so until/unless our species evolves into a different species where that isn't the case. While we remain a dimorphic species separate provisions for men & women are necessary & will remain. End of.

The lack of response to all these serious, well thought out questions and points and the knee-jerk "you are all transphobic" with no explanation of what being transphobic is, is pathetic. Even easy questions such as why the simple, straightforward and easily implemented extra third Mixed/Neutral space is so awful and transphobic are ignored.

Law and customs are trying to be changed and the basis for doing so is what? No evidence supplied, no thought or consideration, no well structured argument as to why, or how these changes will not impact on others, how these changes will not lessen the rights of others, how these changes will not endanger others, how there will be safeguards, how the rights of others will be respected and upheld, just a big fat nothing with accusations of transphobia and being nasty added for effect and that is the sole basis for such a dramatic and far reaching change to the Law that will have an adverse impact on others, fabulous, truly fabulous.

I'm deeply saddened at how prejudiced and intolerant people in this country are. I thought things were improving but it feels like we are going backwards

I know @Wonderrwall.

Over 100 years since women first said no more! Us Females matter.
Yet here we are again fighting for the sex based rights we thought we had already won!

Trying times

I'm deeply saddened at how prejudiced and intolerant people in this country are. I thought things were improving but it feels like we are going backwards

Me too. That's the patriarchy for you.

LastRolo. No I know it wasn't negative. I was just explaining in case the nuance was lost on others!

It's almost as if the poster was talking out of their arse.

@Z0rr0

Sorry it wasn't a negative comment against you. I was agreeing as I am pro rugby and anti football but that doesn't mean I hate or have a phobia of footballers