Pro-woman is just a euphemism for transphobic

Also we were asked if we had the bollocks to do something or other, earlier.

Language use is really interesting.

Circle jerk?

Isn't that a mainly USA phrase referring to group male masturbation?

What bizarre language to use to a bunch of women on a UK website.

Well, JK Rowling and Daniel Radcliffe's unwanted apology on her behalf did make the BBC, Guardian, Independent, Telegraph and Times, so I'd say quite a lot of people probably know about it, and 5 pretty mainstream news outlets thought their readership would be sufficiently interested to read articles about it.

Anyway, I really want the people supporting the OP to stick around and engage.

I proposed the thesis that the OHCHR's guidance on prisons, which enshrined the right of women prisoners to single sex accommodation, was in direct conflict with the rights of a convicted rapist with penis who identified as a woman to be housed according to gender.

As OP sees the world, I am wrong and there is no conflict of rights here. By housing the rapist according to his self-professed gender no rights are being taken away from women.

Please, please, OP's supporters, stick around and have a stab at explaining to me why I'm wrong. Several of you have mentioned that GC feminists ought to educate themselves. Here's your chance to help out. Be kind and help a sister out!

• not to be

I missed be kind as I don't really bother with Facebook or Twitter. I have heard of it though. I'm not going to be kind to everyone all the time under all circs because I'm not a doormat or stupid. There are a million times being kind would be a terrible idea.

In fact many women their daughters that they don't have to be kind always e.g. if a man approaches them and says he's lost and will she walk him to the place he needs to go. Socialising girls out of being kind/ polite to everyone all the time is so important.

If anyone needs to be told to be kind it's men. Was this trite thing aimed at them at all? Were men circulating it?

It's not kind to tell girls they have to take their clothes off in front of a male at swim club. That is in no way kind.

have different opinion to you and don’t want to participate in your circle jerk I’m basically told I’m not welcome on the board.

Thats not what Winesalot said at all!

They said And yet here you are, despite having had the opportunity to just scroll on buy. How very interesting.

Why are you lying @Elsiebear90 ?

Sojo there are lots of questions we've asked and most have been ignored. Maybe you could start by answering those? Or perhaps Elsie you could?

You see as far as I'm concerned until those concerns are genuinely addressed I will continue to ask.

(I've another one ... if it's ok for a TW to use our safe spaces, why not open them up to all the men who identify as men who claim it to be predators?)
Somethings are more important than the hurt feelings of men who apparently think they're a woman.

Apologies if we're boring you. The alternative is just stay off the thread.

[quote Sojo88]@Winesalot

I can't speak specifically for the OP, but I think where they're coming from is that there's a lot of hatred towards people who want to be women, despite being born male. Some people feel suicidal over having been born in the wrong body, and if they read some of these threads I think it would greatly upset them. No, someone male-born will never truly be 100% female, but if that's what they want I would refer to them how they want, I would call them a woman and I wouldn't try telling them they're not what they wish to be identified as. I guess this whole "transwomen aren't women" thing just seems a very harsh thing to say, and unnecessary. However, I appreciate that it makes things a bit more complicated when it comes to toilets and changing rooms etc. Sorry, not expressed that very well but hope it makes sense.[/quote]
Thanks Sojo88. It is always good to have someone who actually stops and explains and without being accusatory or censorial.

There’s more issues in feminism than trans rights yet this whole board is completely dominated by it.

Could that be because the trans ideology is damaging to women and girls safety and rights therefore feminists view it as one of the important things to discuss?

Also this thread was started by someone who thinks TW are women so maybe direct your post at the OP not those who replied.

I really don’t understand how someone can say being “pro-woman is transphobic and transgender people are not eroding women’s rights” in the same breath with a straight face. It is utterly contradictory.

@wrongsideofhistorymyarse you’ve just proven my point exactly, because I have different opinion to you and don’t want to participate in your circle jerk I’m basically told I’m not welcome on the board.

@wrongsideofhistorymyarse she’s probably like me, just pops in every now and again to see if the same people are still ranting their nonsense. To the outside world it’s all a bit

I used to think about that too. Then I realised that at the moment so much is happening around this topic that it went without saying that it would be happening here too right now.

I am sure that you also may have noticed there is plenty of new posters on the boards so I guess the discussion about JKR is very topical and lively.

What I have noticed is that this is just one of the threads that are posted here regularly to goad other posters and there is no debating or discussion, it is just to scold and shut down discussion. You are regularly here, I am sure you will have noticed this too. And the MN team has let this one stand while it is heavily moderated.

Why not start a thread about a topic you would like to explore Elsiebear?

“Be kind” 🙄

What about the other topics with multiple threads then?
Mils
Cover
The Royal family
Cheating partners
TTC threads

Because these mostly cover new ground and discuss individual personal situations e.g. cheating or MIL threads, also multiple threads created about the same topic are criticised. Many of the threads on trans women are the same topic being repeated over and over again, like do we really need about ten threads to say how we all agree with JK Rowling and she’s wonderful? There’s more issues in feminism than trans rights yet this whole board is completely dominated by it.

@Winesalot

I can't speak specifically for the OP, but I think where they're coming from is that there's a lot of hatred towards people who want to be women, despite being born male. Some people feel suicidal over having been born in the wrong body, and if they read some of these threads I think it would greatly upset them. No, someone male-born will never truly be 100% female, but if that's what they want I would refer to them how they want, I would call them a woman and I wouldn't try telling them they're not what they wish to be identified as. I guess this whole "transwomen aren't women" thing just seems a very harsh thing to say, and unnecessary. However, I appreciate that it makes things a bit more complicated when it comes to toilets and changing rooms etc. Sorry, not expressed that very well but hope it makes sense.

Gosh there seems to be a schizophrenic online today, judging by the multiple personalities coming from a single poster!

I don’t really understand the obsession with trans women on here tbh, there’s literally thread after thread created about them every single day.

What about the other topics with multiple threads then?
Mils
Cover
The Royal family
Cheating partners
TTC threads

All have multiple posts about the same subject why do you think trans posts should be limited to only one?

If you have some views on this, please express them.

Otherwise this entire thread will have been raised as a way to shut down free speech - in particular women speaking for what they perceive as their rights.

Ploppers are pointless.

I don’t really understand the obsession with trans women on here tbh, there’s literally thread after thread created about them every single day. Very few cover any new ground and anyone with a different opinion is bullied off the thread or labelled as a TRA troll, most become a “circle-jerk” where people spend most of their time congratulating each other for sharing the same outrage and opinion.

OP I will be kind to anyone, but I will not roll over and watch sex based rights being trampled all over and safeguarding thrown to the wind by men.
I will fight for the rights and safety of my young daughters for sex segregated safe spaces.

There are many, many examples out there of men who abuse their trans status, you are either ignoring this or choosing to prioritise the needs of men over the safety of women and girls.

There doesn't seem to be much point, looking at all the responses the OP has had - but thanks for asking :)

I just wanted the OP to know they had some support