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Gender appropriation vs cultural appropriation

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BusterBluth · 10/06/2020 11:11

In the woke world of today, with people in uproar about JKR and determining loudly that TWAW - it's interesting to see the difference between the thumbs-up for sexual/gender appropriation and examples such as those below, of people who identify and present as black, but are in fact white.

These people have been criticised for taking opportunities reserved for BAME people - and faced a backlash that argued you can't just 'identify' and appropriate another race.

They were criticised, with arguments including the disregard for lived experience, oppression and - crucially - the difference in DNA.
So even if the woke had clapped and cheered and said "YES! WHITE WOMEN ARE BLACK WOMEN!" - we'd all know that, deep down, they aren't.

So my question is, if self-ID reformists insist that anyone can identify as a woman, should we not also extend this to anyone identifying as the race they choose? Why reject one and not the other?

I fear the answer is simply: 'because women'.

Rachel Dolezal (aka Nkechi Amare Diallo)
Who, when challenged, claimed that 'race is a lie' (sound familiar?)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Dolezal

Anthony David Lennon (aka Soweto Alkebulan Ekundayo)
www.independent.co.uk/voices/anthony-ekundayo-lennon-black-theatre-arts-council-england-theatre-rachel-dolezal-transracial-a8616851.html

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BusterBluth · 10/06/2020 11:38

@PinkyU

What kind of person compares prejudice and discrimination to see which is worse, this isn’t a fucking game of top trumps here.

Whilst we’re at it why don’t we chuck in the disabled, they get a pretty raw deal as well BUT is it as bad as women or BAME people, hmm tough call.

What a joke.

But it is a game of top trumps, isn't it? That we didn't start... but it's the game we're in, apparently.

Transwomen saying they are women trumps women saying they are not.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/06/2020 11:37

Whilst we’re at it why don’t we chuck in the disabled,

Nobody worry, there is a trans movement for non-disabled people too!

daily.jstor.org/the-complicated-issue-of-transableism/

BusterBluth · 10/06/2020 11:35

Completely agree. It is worse.

What I wanted to highlight (preaching to the wrong choir here but trying to formulate arguments that my woke-friends will understand) is that one is frowned upon as appropriating/taking resources meant for an oppressed group (and peddling an outright lie), yet somehow the other is a free-for-all giveaway of women's rights without so much as the courtesy of debate.

Why aren't we shouting white women are black women, if it's all about feelings?

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Bathbedandbeyond · 10/06/2020 11:33

I’ve been saying this for years OP.

PinkyU · 10/06/2020 11:33

What kind of person compares prejudice and discrimination to see which is worse, this isn’t a fucking game of top trumps here.

Whilst we’re at it why don’t we chuck in the disabled, they get a pretty raw deal as well BUT is it as bad as women or BAME people, hmm tough call.

What a joke.

Collidascope · 10/06/2020 11:24

I actually think sexual/gender appropriation is much worse.
There's more of an argument to say that race is a social construct, that the inequalities are down to perception rather than anything physical. Of course there are issues like sickle cell anemia which affect people of different races to different extents, but there's nothing, in my opinion, so pervasive as what comes with having female biology. These are real physical differences.
And race isn't binary either in the way sex is.