Well, I've just come out as GC on Facebook...

also then realsied that in a Roller Derby, women put them selves out to include trans women. I saw on on discussion group, a woman said she did not want to feel a penis on her leg/back/body when playing. She said she’s happy to play with TW but could they wear maybe a jock strap or something to cover it. This poor woman was shouted down stating it’s not the fault of the TW she has a penis and as Roller Derby is such a contact sport, maybe she was in the wrong sport. It really was awful as no one dared to stick up for her.

Wow. That's truly awful. No concern for women at all. And I know from experience that males can use that kind of situation to press up against women like that deliberately.

I remember a journalist writing an article about Roller Derby for a magazine, a few years ago now, and it was from the perspective of women who weren't altogether comfortable playing against males. The editor basically completely rewrote the article changing all the contentious bits so it made no sense, and sent a copy back to the author with red lines through where she'd changed things, saying that she could have just edited it but felt the author needed to have a "learning experience" I think the author withdrew it and published it online.

Bluebellbike

I'm retired but I was a teacher.

Is it possible to ask your dd a hypothetical question.

If a student told me they thought they were trans where is the best place to get unbiased information about all options?

I have experience growing up as a female, I also thought I wanted to be a boy, until I realised I could still do 'boy' things and be a girl. I probably have autism.

As someone who has transitioned, surely she is more experienced than I am both about dismorphia and about the options open.

Somewhere / someone who can give the student the 'warts and all' of the options.

How would I find a, for want of a better word, a mentor?

Obviously don't ask if this would put a strain on your relationship in any way, I do not want to upset anyone for a hypothetical.

Whenever I see the "Trans are the most oppressed minority ever" line I've taken up asking them for the data to support this assertion. I've yet to have a response. But if I ever do I'll point them to this particular gem.
twitter.com/janeclarejones/status/1270632633052127232

I’m confused because this all kicked off with her being annoyed at the ‘people who have periods’ thing which is obviously referring to the fact trans men have periods too. So I’m confused why people (and Daniel Radcliffe) keep reiterating the ‘trans women are women’ line rather than trans men are men?

Because the real group upset by women talking about periods as part of womanhood is not TM (notice how TM are practically invisible, never mentioned), it's TW.

This is all about the rights of males over womanhood and the controlling of females to achieve it. Look at who in the movement has power, and who doesn't. Who is always the focus and demanding to be centred, and who isn't. Then look at the biological sexes involved. This is all about the compelled pretence of not knowing, while everyone, in particular the political transactivist lobby, bases almost everything on knowing exactly what sex everyone is, and which sex must always be privileged and which must be subordinated. Everything they do is on the basis of recognised sex.

What’s sad is that women with real power, like Sturgeon, Mairi Black etc are actually leading the charge on this . It’s awful.

I think the fact that women are being cowed and frightened into silence is very sinister.
I'm neither in or out on Facebook. I wouldn't post a video but I generally post either frivolously or on certain other topics close to my heart. I do however post comment and support where friends post something.
I guess I am openly GC as this is nothing new, it's just a realisation that this label fits my thought too.
I'd say most of my female friends (same age) feel the same. My DD and some of her friends similarly but are already checking how much they share with some others - especially those who are NB in fear of offending them.
The more I see the more apparent it is that misogyny is at the heart of genderism.

I know it might seem relatively minor, but I think what really drove home the sexism and misogyny in DR's statement was the way he felt he had to apologise FOR her to fans of HER books? It was just so incredibly patronising..... "It's okay, the little woman didn't know what she was talking about and didn't mean to hurt you." SHE is the author. He is just a hired actor. The very clear sense that he is better than her, that as the actor (male) he is the one in charge was almost chilling for me.

I don't tend to post GC stuff but I do like a lot of it on SM and will occasionally post something. I do worry about it.

My BF is still working her way through a lot of this stuff but her instinct is to be inclusive and supportive of trans women and she lives in another country where they're at a different point. It's awkward because we both respect each other and listen to each other but in her country, there haven't been the sorts of cases (or at least, not publicly) where men claim to be women in order to abuse actual women. And it's also very traditional so she's very conscious of the massive backlash transpeople experience. But I keep hoping by flagging up a few things on my SM that she'll read and engage with them. Because to be honest, I felt the same way she did a few years ago. It took me a long time, and a lot of reading, to truly understand.

I feel for Jonathan Ross too because nephew, 24, claims that if he met a woman at a bar and she turned out to be a transwoman with a penis he'd still happily have sex with her. So he doesn't understand why it's such a big deal. I can't work out if he's living in a dream world or is really just bi.

I don't do facebook but I am on twitter under my real name. I wish we'd all be open about this. It's ridiculous that women feel they have to keep silent about this bizarre anti-woman attack that no one in real life gives any credence to, because a) people might be upset (well you're upset here, their possible feelings don't outweigh yours) and b) people might shout (then shout back). If they're supposed to be your friends, don't worry about losing them - let them worry about losing you. Then there are stories of workplaces and pronoun meetings where I guarantee everyone is sitting there thinking 'wtf is this shite' but no one of the grown adults opens their gob! Let's change the narrative. We can own this. We exist and we are entitled to our rights.

I'm GC but cannot mention it on FB as one of my adult DC is transgender(full hormonal and surgical transition) and my other adult DC is "non binary" and very woke re. TWAW to the point that I cannot mention anything on the subject. I would immediately be labelled Transphobic which is ridiculous considering I supported my DC through their 9 year transition to become a happy, fulfilled independent person who is making a success of their life and as far as I am concerned was right to transition. I love them both dearly but have to keep my thoughts to myself as I don't need the stress of the alternative.

"the difference between an adjective that modifies a noun, tall woman and Black woman for example, and a compound word which changes the meaning of the noun entirely, Seahorses are not horses, hot dogs are not dogs, trans women are not women."

Brilliant and succinct.

The thing is it's now impossible to post even one aspect such as "I believe women are, and have historically been, oppressed due to having female bodies" without literally everyone deciding that you said something different and arguing with that instead.
It's thanks to Twitter and the culture of exaggerated outrage that you can't actually discuss this properly, choosing your words to reflect what you mean without someone telling you what you ACTUALLY mean.

See even other threads on mn - there was one about people who'd died before their time (e.g. healthy people in their 30s) and there was a chorus of posts saying OH SO YOU'RE SAYING THE DEATHS OF OLD PEOPLE AREN'T SAD.

Honest, good-faith debate is a rare rare thing, especially on social media.

Ask if Transmen are men? and if so, can they inherit titles? Become RC priests? Be impervious to rape and pregnancy? thought not.

Well done OP. I posted the exact same video on FB. Don't let the idiots get you down - I love engaging in a good 'discussion' with them on Twitter and FB
I have every sympathy with those who feel they can't speak out. I work in the NHS, but thankfully our household isn't totally dependent on my income and I'm simply not bothered/young enough to want to advance into management.

You are so brave. I daren't come out on Facebook (I've even name changed for this post), as it would cause way too much controversy for me, I would lose my hobby which is Roller Derby as it's the most trans centric sport there is. There are a few women (mostly top level players) stating that it makes no difference at all, but it DOES!! It really does especially at the lower end of the game and privately many women agree but would never ever come out publicly saying that.

When I started playing around 7 years ago, I was really proud of the inclusive nature of the game and loved it. And I have many trans friends who are lovely, and funny and kind and amazing and I love them. But then Pips Bunce happened, and then Alex Drummond, then Lily Madigan, Jessica Yaniv, Danielle Muscato, all got me thinking ‘something isn’t right here’, and the more I looked into it, the more I realised actually if I was in America and my daughters had to race against Cece Telford or Andrea Yearwood or Jess Eastwood, I‘d have a massive issue with it. Then the Girl Guides, and I realsied that if a trans girl and my 14 year old daughter were put in a tent together and something happened (whether either party instigated it), my first question to the leaders would be ‘how was that defensible?’

I also then realsied that in a Roller Derby, women put them selves out to include trans women. I saw on on discussion group, a woman said she did not want to feel a penis on her leg/back/body when playing. She said she’s happy to play with TW but could they wear maybe a jock strap or something to cover it. This poor woman was shouted down stating it’s not the fault of the TW she has a penis and as Roller Derby is such a contact sport, maybe she was in the wrong sport. It really was awful as no one dared to stick up for her.

I love the game and find it so empowering for girls and women, to play a cool, contact sport, and in the main, that's what it is, so I’m not quite ready to leave yet, (and want it to be on my terms) but I find the community so toxic, so I’m afraid you’ve got my post. I’m a coward.

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I now get no comments or reactions which is weird. Only hope that people are reading at least.

I’m the opposite. Out and proud on Facebook and I’m bloody annoyed that very few people respond. This means

a) people have hidden my posts or I’m not that interesting generally
b) they disagree and don’t want to pick s fight or
c) they agree and don’t want to declare it.

It’s a shame, because I’m itching to get it all out there.

A couple of people have mentioned writing to MP's. Are there any templates anywhere?

I'm keen to get involved.

The thing that concerns me the most in all of this, is the welfare of the children who are recieving treatment that will have immense health implications throughout their lives, so much of which is irreversible.

It feels like being right is more important than doing the right thing. And that scares me when you are talking about the medical well being of a child.

I have zero time or respect for men abusing gc women. They have no skin in the game, it's not their rights being eroded. Women abusing gc women is trickier, and unfathomable to me.

I post occasionally on this subject on Facebook. Most of my friends stay silent but I have a few supporters who "get it" - often gay men and women, I have to say. My female friends who are very much into sport are also vocal on the subject, thank goodness.

I wouldn't post the PP video on there as I'm not sure it helps the cause much and have had enough of people filming themselves crying . I am firmly on PP's side of course, no question about it, 100%, but I couldn't watch it through.

Eagerly awaiting a definition of "woman" from Katy that includes women and transwomen but excludes men and transmen. I've been waiting for this since I first saw the question posed 2 years ago, and I know people were asking it many years before that, so probs best not to hold my breath...

Good for you OP. Women are women!

So I jumped in the deep end and shared this on facebook, where unlike Twitter I am not anonymous. But if a woman can get so much abuse for just stating only women menstruate, I can’t keep quiet.

I will let you know the fallout.

I unfriended people on the back of their criticism of jk/support of dr. Closer friends I might have engaged with but it just didn't seem worth it. I don't have the headspace right now

KJ is right, the unnecessary lifelong medicalisation of children is abusive. I have nothing to lose. No excuse other than liking my friends and hating conflict. I need to speak out and it is scary.