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Birth in a time of coronavirus

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CaraDune · 08/06/2020 22:23

It's that rare thing - an informative and moving Guardian article:

www.theguardian.com/society/2020/jun/04/more-births-car-park-midwifes-experience-covid-19-crisis
(Heads up - contains very sad discussion of still birth Flowers)

I was particularly struck by this, though:
"The postnatal ward is a lovely place to be at the moment. The curtains are open, and women are helping each other and bonding in a way that we thought was a thing of the past. One of the things we will probably review is how often partners are allowed in. Now that is not happening, there is a spirit of female empowerment and togetherness. Those who have had babies before are helping first-timers with breastfeeding, for example. There is also the ability to share stories and to come to terms with your birth experience."

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CaraDune · 09/06/2020 09:29

So sorry to hear how tough it's been for you Hipho and Bubbles.

I suppose my view is coloured by my experience which was desperately trying to pump to feed my low birthweight infant, in the nurses' room which was near the entrance to the ward, while what felt like an endless succession of blokes trooped past. Every single one of them looked. I've never felt so exposed in my life. (Yes there was a screen. I was exhausted and sleep deprived and hadn't got it in the right place).

A women's only space would have been lovely for me.

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Hearhoovesthinkzebras · 09/06/2020 09:22

I'm just astounded that any hospital is encouraging, or even allowing, patients to approach other patients and get close enough to provide breast feeding support. How on earth are they protecting patients from getting infected with COVID19?

That has to be a massive no no from an infection control standpoint?

Gronky · 09/06/2020 08:42

I've only visited a maternity ward a few times but the ones I've seen are 4 bed rooms (different hospitals) with a few 6 beds. Surely it would be possible to divide postnatal into new mothers that want visitors and those who only want the company of staff and other new mothers? I understand there would be difficulties if the beds approached maximum occupancy but generally, it seems like preferences could be met.

Pumpertrumper · 09/06/2020 08:35

DS was born the week before lockdown but the hospital was very much on high alert and starting to struggle.
^ My experience was nothing like this. Post natal ward was awful, I’m still in counselling and DS is 3 months now. I was stuck in a side room at 11pm (heavily sleep deprived and barely able to move enough to reach the loo) only time I saw a midwife all night was when I rang for one desperate for pain relief. I was broken, cold, scared and left to my own devices.

I was incredibly lucky DH got to stay with me else I couldn’t have managed DS at all. I just cried all night, the bleeding was a nightmare. First thing the next morning they asked if I wanted to stay, I said no (I really wasn’t well enough to leave though) and they happily let me go. It was pretty clear they did not want people staying and were obviously gearing up for CV!

Bubblesbubblesmybubbles · 09/06/2020 08:27

Dc2 was born during the restrictions, I cried all night being away from DP after an emergency c sec. I was shattered after labour then surgery. No one cared or maybe they didnt notice, either way it was nothing like the experience I had at the same hospital with DC1 which was calm and all partners were respectful of noise levels and others

Hearhoovesthinkzebras · 09/06/2020 08:25

How are women helping other women on the post natal ward?

They surely aren't encouraging patients to get that close to other patients are they?

2CatsAndCounting · 09/06/2020 08:20

I totally can get behind this. Allow visiting, but equally visitors shouldn’t be allowed 24/7 and any visitor breaking rules/being disrespectful should be thrown out. The visitors watching Netflix with the volume up - thrown out. The visitors telling woman/babies to be quiet - thrown out.

If you want your partner there 24/7 personally either pay private/have a home birth but don’t inflict your partner on me.

truthisarevolutionaryact · 09/06/2020 08:09

So sorry Hiphopopotamus about your experience. It must have been so difficult for you at this frightening time. Hope that baby Hiphopotamus is now making up for it [flowers

Hiphopopotamus · 09/06/2020 07:48

As someone who had their first baby five days ago - bullshit about the postnatal ward. In a time when I felt at my absolute most vulnerable, caring for a baby while recovering from a birth, I felt so unbelievably lonely and isolated. Not being able to have a visitor or have my husband be their with his first child was awful. The lack of privacy on the ward made so much worse as any attempt to complain or close your curtains was met with an ‘it’s fine, there are no men on the ward’. I actually felt like I was in an institution.

quixote9 · 09/06/2020 07:40

The ability to confirm shared reality in women-only groups, and the result that the individual women come out of them much harder to fool, is probably the reason why misogyny has fought women's groups and suppressed them for as long as history.

The tools change, but the goals are the same.

AnneLovesGilbert · 08/06/2020 22:52

Thank you for sharing this, thought provoking and beautifully written.

BaronessFloralBunting · 08/06/2020 22:43

That is such a beautiful excerpt. Women only spaces are so powerful in ways which the world we're used to just doesn't understand as power. It gives me hope.