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Gendered Intelligence

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PetraDelphiki · 08/06/2020 19:04

So we had an email today telling us about the new RSE curriculum etc. I have asked the school who will be giving talks etc on transgender issues and it’s Gendered Intelligence (which I thought it would be)
I need to reply to express my concerns about GI:

Misrepresenting the equality act
Telling the girls they can change sex (girls school)
Pushing secrecy/safeguarding
Pushing the gingerbread person and make/female brains idea

I’ll do some digging on their website but any help would be much appreciated

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PetraDelphiki · 08/06/2020 21:08

I’m very happy for the current advice of watchful waiting to be followed - I don’t want Lobby groups coming in and pushing early medical intervention on under 16s. I don’t want binders being encouraged. I don’t want safeguarding to be ignored. We don’t consider under 18s capable of making decisions about tattoos - we should not be encouraging lobby groups to push for them to be able to decide about a lifetime of drugs, surgery, infertility and the (still long term unknown) side effects of not going through puberty and the drugs involved.

Going back to the post I had deleted (sorry was outing) any evidence of any places GI would fall down on due diligence will be gratefully received...happy to take it by PM if you rather. I will have a good look too but multiple heads are better than one.

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aliasundercover · 08/06/2020 20:32

Somebody is after screenshots.

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truthisarevolutionaryact · 08/06/2020 19:42

Also ask what due diligence the school have undertaken? What are the qualifications of any presenters seeking to influence children's social, sexual and psychological development? Do they have safeguarding qualifications? Does the organisation / the presenters have any history of making threats of violence against women? Advocating for extreme porn? Have the school made these checks?

truthisarevolutionaryact · 08/06/2020 19:38

Safeguarding is the issue to push. Do they attempt to breach safeguarding by promoting parental alienation? Persuading children below the age of consent that drugs and surgery are the way to go to resolve unhappiness with puberty. The old trope that children can be born in the wrong body, advocating that adults keep confidences in defiance of safeguarding protocols. etc etc...

OhHolyJesus · 08/06/2020 19:34
  • fair and reasonable (although being fake could also apply Hmm)
OhHolyJesus · 08/06/2020 19:33

The Equality Act 2010 protects anyone who intends to undergo, is undergoing and has in the past undergone gender reassignment.

This is the language of the EA but the exemption is key. You can dig out the language but I think is is something about being fake and reasonable.

Anyway here is the SSA red flags doc to check against

safeschoolsallianceuk.files.wordpress.com/2019/10/redflagsa4.pdf

I did look at gendered intelligence a while ago as I think they have advised or been involved in various different toolkits but I need to go back and check I'm not getting mixed up.

Have a search for them on MN as there could be some stuff you could easily use.

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PetraDelphiki · 08/06/2020 19:32

Parent...I know I’m not going to stop them bringing GI in but I want the school to know that GI will (most likely)be misrepresenting the law, pushing male/female brains, promoting Binding/hormones etc and are not necessarily appropriate people to be doing this training.

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Deltoids1 · 08/06/2020 19:30

OP are you a parent or a staff member? As a parent of high school age girls I'm awaiting to see if school will communicate with us about the new RSE requirements.

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PetraDelphiki · 08/06/2020 19:17

Thank you

My first point is going to be picking holes in their BAEB thing (gillick competency etc)

Second will be about this
genderedintelligence.co.uk/projects/kip/work

“ Work life

You may choose to start a new job in your self-identified gender or to transition at a current workplace. The Equality Act 2010 protects anyone who intends to undergo, is undergoing and has in the past undergone gender reassignment. There is no requirement for you to have undergone any hormones or surgery for you to be treated in your self-identified gender.

Good practice at your workplace would mean to:

Wear the uniform / workwear attributed to your self-identified gender

Use the toilets and changing room of your self-identified gender (including gender neutral toilets)

Have the correct name used at work and on any name badges etc. (You may only be able to have your legal name on your payslips or any formal documents)

Your employer has a legal obligation not to share a disclosure of trans status or different legal name with other colleagues if you do not wish them to.”

Pretty sure that this is outright wrong - the protected characteristic is actual gender reassignment and the comparator is the sex you are “leaving” not the one you are “joining”...can anyone point me at the correct information about this?

Any more thoughts gratefully received!

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OhHolyJesus · 08/06/2020 19:07

I'll have a dig about x