Please or to access all these features

Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

I simply cannot comprehend the whole gender debate

32 replies

Cornana · 08/06/2020 00:25

As a lesbian, it doesn’t make sense. It seems like people- particularly on Twitter- have to do so much stretching and reaching to make their explanations fit in.

I am a lesbian because I like people with vaginas- women. This, to the masses, makes me a “genital fetishist”.

The woke definition is now, “any non-man attracted to a non-man.” But anyone can be a non-man if they ‘choose’ to be. Ie, a man- not even on oestrogen- can say “I’m a women” and all of a sudden they are part of the lesbian dating pool? By this logic, and self identification, labels such as lesbian literally have no meaning anymore. As anyone can be a ‘non-man’ or a ‘lesbian.’

I don’t know if it’s everything going on, but I’m feeling exhausted by all of it. I have no issue with trans people existing, I have trans friends. I use their pronouns, I try my best to respect them. My trans friends happily agree with me that this kind of language is ridiculous, yet slowly it is making it’s way into every area of my life that is LGBT.

It’s got me thinking- the LGB part can’t fit in with the trans narrative much longer surely? Maybe it once could, but you can’t keep rewriting labels and what ‘gay’ and ‘lesbian’ mean. Even with all the re-labelling, and over-explaining they don’t make sense. They clash so clearly already.

I’m just tired of “messing up” in LGBT spaces because I said something considered transphobic, my language wasn’t inclusive enough or I have to put up with being told I just have a “genital preference which is nothing to do with being actually a lesbian.”

Sorry if this has been covered already, I’m fairly new to this area and it’s one of the only places online I won’t get torn apart.

OP posts:
Cornana · 08/06/2020 00:37

Pope- that’s interesting. Even amongst the very extreme TRA’s online there are disagreements. I have a friend who has detransitioned and some of the abuse he has received- from his own past community- has been horrible.

OP posts:
Cornana · 08/06/2020 00:35

Jigglypuffs- It’s insulting to me after years of being traumatised because I ‘had’ to be straight that I now have to like biological males. Everyone online says “no one expects lesbians to have sex with transwoman,” but that’s not true. It’s happened to me multiple times. I have bisexual friends who have the same problems you do, because bisexual now means “two or more genders,” in woke Twitter.

OP posts:
popehilarious · 08/06/2020 00:34

We've had loads of genderist people come and chat on here, posting all sorts, getting involved, asking questions of the gender-critical women on here. I'd point you to the posts where they answered any of your questions clearly, but they never, ever, have.

YinuCeatleAyru · 08/06/2020 00:31

you are not wrong.

JigglypuffsCaptor · 08/06/2020 00:29

I hear you 💐

As a bisexual woman, the trans community seem to see me as some sort of fetish, and I should automatically be attracted to them because "I like both, so why wouldn't I date an intact trans-woman" and if I refuse their advances I am called transphobic! I am bullied because I won't submit. It's infuriating.

Cornana · 08/06/2020 00:29

Also, if someone could tell me what is actually “transphobic.”

In my mind

injuring a trans person because they are trans = transphobic
saying an opinion or stating I only like biological women = not transphobic, unless you are a TRA

If I have used any wrong language, please let me know.

OP posts:
Cornana · 08/06/2020 00:27

Basically none of it makes sense to me, at all. It just leaves me feeling bewildered and wondering how politically correct I have to be in everyday life. Luckily the woman I am seeing is very gender-critical. It is one of the first things she asked me, so I’m slowly learning.

OP posts:
Swipe left for the next trending thread