Ms Magazine - gender and organ inclusive terms

“Gender and organ inclusive” is a giveaway. Why do women go along with this shit? The original intention may well have been good, but this will mainly attract male obsessives. Very bad news if it includes any way for them to contact inexperienced women genuinely trying to educate themselves.

Adding information about intersex conditions to the information available to everyone, and especially to young people, would be helpful. But the people spouting TRA verbiage never want to do that, what they want to do is hide or remove information relevant to women.

it is way worse for trans, non-binary, and intersex people

I'd agree with the last one on that list.

Trans people aren't actually disadvantaged compared to others of their sex in this regard though, unless they're looking at diagrams of the opposite sex's reproductive system and wondering why their own reproductive paraphernalia isn't shown.

And if there are any non-binary-identified people out there who literally cannot work out which sex's reproductive system they need to be researching to learn about their own body, I will purchase a hat for the sole purpose of eating it.

You know what else makes it difficult for women with intersex conditions to get the information they need to understand themselves and their bodies? This constant conflation with gender identity bollocks. They have enough of a job as it is getting their heads around where they fit in a society that a) views motherhood&fuckability as the ultimate in femininity while b) conflating femininity with being a woman, without a bunch of developmentally-typical sexist dickheads crashing in and redefining terms willy-nilly while pretending the basis of intersex people's issue doesn't actually exist.

Many people with pussies are not women, and many women do not have pussies. As bad as the information out there is for cis women, it is way worse for trans, non-binary, and intersex people

Right now simply no website, museum project, theatrical monologue, article or anything at all centering the vagina can exist at all without throwing this sort of stuff in.

But kudos to them actually, I looked through the website and it looks like they really are trying to centre women, they do actually refer to women regularly and first and foremost.
They do however needs to continually jump through hoops in order to do so.

It's not a total shit show like the vagina museum type stuff that doesn't even mention the word woman once.

I'd rather not slag off this project anymore.

I've found undercarriage quite useful when talking generally about 'nethers' or down below.

As for the concept of lumping together under one term, nearly all internal and external organs from the waist downwards.
Ridiculous 🙄

Oh. How about Haslet?

“I ended up reading medical studies that were very hard to understand, looking up almost every word and then the words in those definition. It’s not okay that it’s that hard to access reliable information.”

There's a whole other language of medical terms for everything from the anatomy of an individual cell to different cell types to all the parts of a human body. Please don't reduce female anatomy to a handful of childish words. It's really not helpful to a woman with a gynaecological disorder or a female specific cancer or in pregnancy and childbirth.
If every word needs looking up then look them up and learn them.

Squirting is a somewhat curious starting point for this particular inclusivity/genitals article..

Female ejaculation is not particularly common.
"Squirting" is however yet another word appropriated by AGPs when they talk about ejaculation, which is rather more common.

Anyway, that aside, the original article is nonsense simply designed for clickbait.

I've seen some adult male lawmakers who seem to still have an "in the mummy's tummy" level of understanding of pregnancy, which is one argument for being more clear and direct.

I thought it was odd to tell them a baby was developing in the same space that they considered food to go in

Should have said ‘tummy’.

Because... toddlers will be permanently scarred by the realisation that they have internal organs? Some people have the weirdest notions!

Lets just forget that a huge part of consciousness raising in the history of feminism was to give women words for and knowledge of their own anatomy and physiology, to have female anatomy (and pathology) studied and taken seriously, to have the language to describe their experiences and the confidence to use that language when important eg in reference to their own bodily experiences, in relationships, in medical situations, to remove the stigma of shame in referring to female anatomy and its functions, to be published in books and taught and read about.

Post of the day for me. Loads of arguments with women as my kids grew up as they were adamant I should not have told my children about the clitoris as young kids. And horror that I told my children as toddlers that their sibling was developing in my womb. Should have said ‘tummy’.

"I wanted to help women understand their own bodies via the medium of the porn that the men around them are obsessed with", says useful idiot.

Nailed it.

So is pussy the new word for women and women is now the word for people formerly known as women, plus transwomen, less transmen and less non-binary people?

Do we need to start campaigning for the rights of pussies?

I fundamentally agree that people need accessible, accurate information about their genitalia and how they function. Preferably with accurate diagrams and/or models and a chance to ask questions from reliable sources
Its just not really possible to deliver this in a queer theory soaked environment where the reality of biological sex is unmentionable and we have to all pretend that somehow testes are a part of female genitalia

However, are they not referring to testes because some women with DSDs have internal testes?

I suppose it's possible. For some women with DSDs internal testes are a feature of their genitourinary system. But the only woman I know with a DSD also has the most marvellously expressive eyebrows, and I can just imagine the face she'd pull at the idea of calling testes "pussy". Or possibly "pussies" where there's two of 'em. It's giving me a lovely warm glow.

Still not sure why we need to repurpose a misogynistic and dehumanising slang word for the vagina to encompass the entirety of the plumbing. Oh look, there's another word we already have to cover that aspect of things!

“I wanted to make this project because I realized after googling ‘whether or not all women could squirt,’ that the quality of information about our bodies on the internet is generally terrible,” said Mendelson. “I ended up reading medical studies that were very hard to understand, looking up almost every word and then the words in those definition. It’s not okay that it’s that hard to access reliable information.”

"I wanted to help women understand their own bodies via the medium of the porn that the men around them are obsessed with", says useful idiot.

Or ‘wimmins - you know....(mouths random words)’ like Lea Dawson when he dressed up as a woman in his act)

I would like to submit the charming old term scut if we have to have a euphemism, though mostly these days it is used to refer to hares

That illustration perfectly sums up how they see women's bodies though. I mean, there's a welcome mat and everything.

(And no, "pussy" is not in any way inclusive because it's firmly rooted in porn and general misogyny, and the anus is not part of the genitalia.)

What about “area” accompanied with stage whisper and circling hand gesture...

Lamahaha oh I know that (been a Ms since 1980s) but I’m not quite sure they are using it in the traditional manner...

I feel very strongly about this ridiculousness

Lets just forget that a huge part of consciousness raising in the history of feminism was to give women words for and knowledge of their own anatomy and physiology, to have female anatomy (and pathology) studied and taken seriously, to have the language to describe their experiences and the confidence to use that language when important eg in reference to their own bodily experiences, in relationships, in medical situations, to remove the stigma of shame in referring to female anatomy and its functions, to be published in books and taught and read about.

Not to mention that many women in the world still lack the ability to discuss, define and name their anatomy alongside the various stigmas associated with childbearing & menstruation, menopause. Many women across the world have significant physical problems (eg menstrual issues, vaginismus, infections, prolapse, fistula, cancer symptoms) that they do not seek help for due to shame, embarrassment, cultural and social stigma, or simply by not having the language and knowledge of their own anatomy and physiology to discuss them or know when to seek help. Women and girls still suffer FGM and unconsented gynæcological interventions. Many of the colloquialisms for female genitalia carry overtones of shaming or schoolboy sniggering or are outright used as swearwords or insults.

I mean, seriously? We propose a new gender-and-organ-inclusive use of the word which means “some combination of vagina, vulva, clitoris, uterus, bladder, rectum, anus, and who knows maybe some testes

Who or what does it serve to reduce the reality of female anatomy and multiple functioning organs into some sort of nebulous sexless, functionless, all-inclusive pornified euphemistic whole anyway? (pun intended)
Not women and not feminisim

Oh yes, and it was founded by Gloria Steinem.

Ms Magazine used to be great. I was a subscriber back in the day.
And then they suddenly changed the title to "Working Woman" and that's what it was about from then on. I didn't realise they'd changed back to Ms.
When they started sending me Working Woman instead of Ms I ended my subscription. I was a SAHM be decision and very resolute in that decision. I did not feel that I was a lesser kind of woman, but Working Woman was all about -- well, working women. Not about my kind of work, though.