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Munroe Bergdorf makes George Floyd/Black Lives Matter all about Munroe Bergdorf

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GiantKitten · 02/06/2020 12:05

What MB was cancelled for was not what this is all about, was it?

twitter.com/MunroeBergdorf/status/1267460238678069249?s=20

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FloralBunting · 02/06/2020 12:40

Yep, MB actually has a point here. MB appropriates women's oppression to centre MBself and is rightly criticized for it.

But MB is a person of colour, and therefore completely entitled to speak about racism and the systemic privilege of white people. You might not find it a comfortable topic, but complaining about how well made the argument is, or how MB shouldn't be angry or some shit, is exactly what men do when they tell women to shut up too.

So, mark the moment, cos it won't happen again unless MB drops the misogyny, but I completely agree with MB's anger and points on this topic.

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 02/06/2020 12:39

I have a smidge of sympathy for Bergdorf on this issue, though as ever it's phrased in such an unnecessarily aggressive way that it seems slightly odd that anyone's surprised that a large corp wouldn't want someone swearing and insulting and being deliberately offensive.

I agree with some of what MB's saying, but it's not really going to work with L'Oreal, is it? I mean, who expects a huge pharmaceutical multinational to be genuinely subversive?

Probably a deeply seated issue with wokedom - trying to sanitise what naturally is disruptive doesn't quite fit in the system it's trying to win at.

GeordieTerf · 02/06/2020 12:35

Munroe is right to be annoyed here, I think.

popehilarious · 02/06/2020 12:34

It could be seen as goady but MB isn't the only one saying it, they have a right to say it and not get dropped, and it's something a lot of people need to listen to imo. I agree with MB in this case.

MashedPotatoBrainz · 02/06/2020 12:27

"Honestly I don't have energy to talk about the racial violence of white people any more. Yes ALL white people".

That's not a well made argument. It's goady, offensive and insulting, and if you are the face of an international cosmetics company you'd have to be really up your own arse to think you can say this about their customers and not get sacked.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 02/06/2020 12:25

Yeah, this is the one time I'll agree with Bergdorf, the public response to that tweet was ridiculous.

Peapod29 · 02/06/2020 12:23

Oh, I thought there was going to be some other revelation here of her having done something awful. Of course it’s what the current situation is about. Racism.

RufustheLanglovingreindeer · 02/06/2020 12:21

I’d be pissed if i was MB as well

RoyalCorgi · 02/06/2020 12:17

This is what Bergdorf wrote that led to them being dropped by L'Oreal:

Honestly I don't have energy to talk about the racial violence of white people any more. Yes ALL white people. Because most of ya'll don't even realise or refuse to acknowledge that your existence, privilege and success as a race is built on the backs, blood and death of people of colour. Your entire existence is drenched in racism. From micro-aggressions to terrorism, you guys built the blueprint for this s.
Come see me when you realise that racism isn't learned, it's inherited and consciously or unconsciously passed down through privilege. Once white people begin to admit that their race is the most violent and oppressive force of nature on Earth… then we can talk. Until then stay acting shocked about how the world continues to stay f** at the hands of your ancestors and your heads that remain buried in the sand with hands over your ears.

CaraDune · 02/06/2020 12:15

Bergdorf's original comments about white privilege, etc. were well made if understandably angry, and one of the few things I feel sympathy with Bergdorf over. Loreal were wrong to drop Bergdorf for this.

But Bergdorf does have form for me-railing other people's issues (pussy hats, anyone?)

sourdoughismyreligion · 02/06/2020 12:14

@Peapod29

What was she cancelled for? All I can find is that she spoke out against white supremacy and was dropped. So based on that it seems fair enough she would be angry at L’Oréal posting that now.
Munroe said white people were the most oppressive and violent in the world and responsible for all the bad things that have ever happened and that our entire existence is drenched in racism.
Mrsjayy · 02/06/2020 12:12

Munroe is a black person who feels aggrieved about being thrown under the bus for speaking out about racism that is what black lives matter campaign is about personal experience. You don't have to agree with MB if you don't want to but they are allowed to share experiences.

Peapod29 · 02/06/2020 12:07

What was she cancelled for? All I can find is that she spoke out against white supremacy and was dropped. So based on that it seems fair enough she would be angry at L’Oréal posting that now.

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