Munroe Bergdorf makes George Floyd/Black Lives Matter all about Munroe Bergdorf

I can see why MB is pissed off about the race comments.

The hypocrisy when talking about womanhood is obvious, however.

Also for Munroe:

marginallyproductive.com/2020/06/01/woke-capital-is-not-your-friend/

You cannot simultaneously build a modelling career on Woke PR and then complain when it bites you on the arse. It's PR, Munroe. They didn't believe it then and they don't believe it now. They don't believee in anything other than maximising shareholder returns. But hey ho, you've built a career out of it so a bit rich to moan now.

MB is correct to point out the hypocrisy.

Here are some words for Munroe:

Kills me to see the crowd shilling for porn and prostitution pretending to give a shit about black lives.

With the black community having been forced into that "work" via centuries of enslavement, segregation, fill in the fucking blanks

With how over-sexualized black women are, how little black girls are seen as ADULTS, how this normalizes and excuses violence against us, how the sex trade is a direct contributor to and result of this shit

And how black feminism has long opposed prostitution for this exact reason. Peep what bell hooks had to say about prostitution and racial oppression in Ain’t I A Woman ...

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As they say, a stopped clock is right once a day. Doesn't make it a tick tock of reason or reliability.

Munroe could not be more right on this issue, sadly as a person of colour being expected by some white people to constantly educate them on racism is exhausting and insulting.

Yes, I would say that is true, and it's become widely accepted with regard to both race and gender in the US and other places as well.

I'm pondering the whys of how this has come about, and I suspect it's yet another example of America's assumption that its own cultural narratives are globally applicable.

I'm reluctant to waffle on though, because it's not my area of expertise. Open to suggestions for further reading on the subject of the social construction of race as a mechanism of oppression though (and maybe MB could read 'em too, and stop implying that white skin confers any biological advantage beyond the ability to make vitamin D in the frigid northern wastes of my homeland.)

Which suggests to me that MB views race and gender in the same way, ie as an innate, inborn quality/feature/psychological aspect rather than an externally-imposed mechanism of control.

Yes, I would say that is true, and it's become widely accepted with regard to both race and gender in the US and other places as well.

Comments by the likes of MB aren't really a significant worry in themselves, but the whole mindset is a serious problem because it undermines the basis of anti-racism. It only leaves solutions that are about the creation and enactment of new exploitative power structures, or for those inclined to radicalisation, the destruction of offending classes.

I would assume also hair straightening products? I choose not to buy from them anyway.

L'Oreal selling skin lightening products to black women.

Hadn't realised they did this. That's grim. I know that's capitalism for you, and they probably say they're just filling a gap in the market, but do they really not give a single shit about the doubly oppressive standard they're facilitating? What happened to ethics?

Did they attack any other company or individual for doing this? Yes, they have a beef with L'Oreal but they did put their foot in their mouth and that's what got them into trouble.

Calling all white people racist when your mum is white is a tad... insensitive (obviously I don't know the family dynamics there)?

L'oreal did speak out - now and when they fired them because they have made some pretty terrible public statements.

And yes joe they have every right to be angry. I would not say otherwise.

As far as I am aware I thought that loreal had been informed of other comments thet had made as well.

As has happened with every appointment they seemed to have been given.

Given this has happened with even the ultra woke such as the labour party and the nspcc both of which were well aware of what they have publically said before they were even hired it does insinuate that there must be a hell of alot more too it.

That does of course not negate any point they had a about racism.

It is a very common theme with MB

I haven't said I'm surprised about corporate hypocrisy, I have simply said I agree with MB's point. As far as I remember L'oreal dropped MB for the race comments, this was before the invitation for private contact with kids and the whole NSPCC debacle, for which my negative views about MB's behaviour and statements should not need to be reiterated.

For the avoidance of doubt, I am not a fan of tribalism and just because my views are diametrically opposed to MB's on most things does not mean I discount their views on this. You are entirely free to come to your own conclusions, and I won't be demanding conformity to my views. But speaking personally, I understand the concept of systemic privilege, because that's what the word patriarchy means, so it is not difficult to understand systemic privilege that is predicated on skin colour, and I will not pull cat's bum faces at a person of colour talking about that systemic privilege in ways that my pasty white self might feel are too rude.

Loreal were right to drop someone who made incredibly homophobic remarks and encouraged young people to DM them thats massive safeguarding issue.

That's not why Loreal dropped Munroe. The DMing kids thing was why they got dropped from the NSPCC.

Loreal said they dropped Munroe for comments that Loreal are now effectively supporting. Munroe is entitled to be angry about this.

Well said, RoyalCorgi.

Thats quite a leap royal

Has any poster said they are surprised

Most have said they can see why MB is pissed off

Am surprised at the number of people on here who expect large corporates selling skincare products to be beacons of virtue.

People seem to be more shocked at L'Oreal making virtue-signalling comments about race than they are about L'Oreal selling skin lightening products to black women.

The person who hired MB was also fired for inappropriate behaviour/safeguarding breech

Loreal were right to drop someone who made incredibly homophobic remarks and encouraged young people to DM them thats massive safeguarding issue.

And as for telling women thet couldnt talk about their reproductive rights and their bodies as its exclusionary there are no words to describe how offensive that is.

They may be right about the racism. I cant disagree that but let's not pretend that was the only thing they said that got them dropped..

Thanks for your valuable contribution, Glowcat.

Munroe does have form for saying and doing stupid stuff though.

They were dropped by the NSPCC as an ambassador after it became apparently that Munroe had absolutely zero knowledge of safeguarding, as shown by the fact they were inviting kids to private message them on social media, which is obviously a huge no no when it comes to safeguarding. Obviously the sacking was then said to be 'transphobic' but that's by the by.

Munroe is also on record as saying that an 11 year old boy dancing on stage while adults throw money at him in a gay nightclub in the middle of the night is 'completely normal'.

But on this Munroe is right I think.

I’m ashamed of the Feminism section this website. That some posters see everything through the filter of trans issues to the extent that they’re blind to everything else.

being ok with your representative saying that all white people (including your customers) inherit racism in their DNA and are the cause of all oppression through history.

I'm glad you phrased it like this. It helps to make sense of what a PP pointed out re: the hypocrisy of MB's claim to womanhood.

I'll probably explain this badly so apologies in advance.

So far as I'm aware, the concept of race was basically invented as a mechanism to justify the subjugation and exploitation of certain subsets of the human race. The biology it's rooted in is skin colour, which varies as a result of historic latitude and only affects an individual male's propensity to brutality as a result of structural backing or lack thereof.

The concept of gender works in much the same way.

Which suggests to me that MB views race and gender in the same way, ie as an innate, inborn quality/feature/psychological aspect rather than an externally-imposed mechanism of control.

One of my problems with that line of thinking is that it collapses all of Africa into a single race, when there's a damned sight more genetic diversity in that one continent than in the entire rest of the world.