Do Tom Boys have female socialisation?

We know that in babies changing how they're dressed changes how a stranger treats them.

We also know that knowing a baby's sex changes how we treat them.

As a child I did everything you mention - plus sewing and baking, gardening, woodwork, maths and art. I did my hair, I cut my hair, I wore skirts for school (because I'm old enough it was compulsory), and trousers at home. I read the famous 5 and didn't understand why they made such a think of George - when Anne was right there, doing all the same stuff.

I think you're projecting a bit - I think you sounded like a kid, like all of us were, and those were your interests (we all climbed trees and jumped ramps on our bikes and ran through the woods building dens and bows when I was a kid).

Sorry again Dido at my daughter’s mixed sex comp school the popular girls most definitely don’t do well in tests. That is the reason some parents, despite other moral objections, choose single sex schools for their daughters.
Sex stereotypes are definitely getting worse in many parts of society.

Dido, I wore clothes I could do stuff in. Today’s parents are offered fashion choices for their girls (heeled, scrappy shoes) for instance that can limit the girls ability to actual use their bodies. I could afford more expensive brands and my family was confident enough to be Seen In Public in second hand clothes.

I love confrontation, arguments, getting pissed, exams, tests, doing physical stuff

What is this supposed to prove? This is exactly what I am referring to. An arbitrary list of things which women aren't supposed to do or like with nothing to support it other than it being a list you've made up to show you aren't like other girls.

I mean seriously- you have included "exams and tests"?

Sorry wrong chat!

Argh help! I'm due to ovulate on CD17 but my LH has shown high from yday on the App, does this mean I'm in my fertile window? The app says I'm not until 2 days lol

I was a very physical child and a tomboy. I climbed trees, swam in ponds, rode my bike for miles

This is what I mean about "gender critical" feminists being just as keen as trans activists on clinging to gender roles. I did all of those things- I just thought I was a normal girl growing up in the countryside. Loved clothes, loved pretty dresses.

It is interesting isn’t it. I dressed as a boy as a child and had boy best friends and did all ‘boy’ stuff. I did kickboxing and trained with the boys as I was talk and strong. When I hit puberty I got into heels and makeup but would still fight and kickbox. I was very confrontational to men who tried to touch me up and was very physically assertive. I worked nights and walked everywhere, threw out idiots - mostly men and later in more female workplaces had to curb how outspoken I was. I have always felt a bit that I am quite ‘male’ in expectations - I love confrontation, arguments, getting pissed, exams, tests, doing physical stuff and always have male mates as well as female ones. I have always felt that this says more about society’s expectations than anything else because I am a woman and we have always been capable in diverse and amazing ways.
I don’t know how men got the physical tag, that’s boys need sport that men can’t sit still to do a dull job. Women birth children often whilst caring for others - that’s as physical as it gets. Did anyone catch the news story about the 15 year old Indian girl forced by poverty into an impossible situation. She cycled 750 miles with her disabled father in the back of her bike. They travelled on the kindness of strangers and ate little. What humbling strength in every way. Women have always grafted through choice and poverty. I think it is a recent phenomenon that is trying to Reduce the definition of women and trying to see them through such a narrow consumerist gaze. I think my childhood did allow me to grow the side of me that was quite dominant, it has been enormously useful as an adult. I did avoid some of the girly expectations because school and family felt that they didn’t apply to me entirely.

I think there is a tendency on here to hugely over- egg what was / is perceived as for boys or for girls. Ridiculous examples I have seen on here were that riding a bike was a boy thing (I don't think any of my female school friends didn't have a bike) and that liking music was a boy thing. Really ? I guess the boys in the school orchestra and the pipe band didn't get that memo.

And of course FWR's holy of holies- climbing trees- because only tom boys climb trees.

It's often said on here that trans rights activists have to perpetuate rigid gender roles to make sense of being trans. It often strikes me that gender critical feminists do the same but for different reasons so that they can tell themselves they weren't like other girls.

In reality we all have variants of socialisation and some personalities

Yes, my love of a pretty party dress and patent shoes doesn't seem to have had any effect on my ability to ignore "wife work"

Really interesting? How do present now and what’s your thoughts on activities/interests traditionally ascribed as female in our society?

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I was a very physical child and a tomboy. I climbed trees, swam in ponds, rode my bike for miles. Wore trousers and wellies and hated dresses. I spent time with my dad mending cars and lawnmowers and stuff.

My sister on the other hand was quiet and plump and spent most of her time inside with our mum, baking and 'playing house'.

My spatial awareness has always been very good, I can drive anything, ride a motorbike and also have had some flying lessons which I took to like a duck to water. I believe this is because I was so physical when I was little and allowed to explore my physical environment.

My sister is no longer plump but she's not practical like I am, and she is still a real home bird.

I'd have been encouraged to be trans if it had been a thing in my childhood I'm sure.

In reality we all have variants of socialisation and some personalities and families protect us more? 20 years ago I would have said I was very protected, I am now realising that I was more conditioned than I’d thought..

Interesting question. At least you can say 'when I was a boy'....
I would also have been happier whittling sticks and building tree houses. ..