Express and Star article - head of British Toilet Association pushing for mixed loos

I've just seen what BA are doing behind the smoke screen of covid.

Do you mean British Airways or another BA?

Women keeping good hygiene mixing with men that keep bad hygiene and now need to touch more stuff after open urinals removed = less chance of virus spread.

Makes 0 sence. Definitely an alternative agenda. I wonder how many things will be pushed through under the guise of covid. I've just seen what BA are doing behind the smoke screen of covid. We'll likely be moved into a cashless society. Could we see women being pushed into working from home roles post maternity leave - stifling work relationships and career progression. You know to "keep office numbers down and limit infection". What about limited child care facilities keeping more women in the home.

He said that all future toilets should be mixed sex to "help stop infection".

I’d love to see the science behind that. We’ll let the toilets be mixed sex, which means even more people will be mixing in them and of course, we all know that putting MORE people in the same room, helps decrease infection risk. 🤔

I just came on to see if anyone had brought this up.

Feels like using covid as an excuse. Urinals are surely more hygienic for men.

He said that all future toilets should be mixed sex to "help stop infection". Makes zero sence but solves the argument over gendered toilets.

I can't shake the feeling that they are trying to remove women's rights, first they wanted to use trans people to do it, now covid. Or maybe I'm just paranoid.

In all the FWR threads I’ve read over the years and all the links to twitter threads I’ve followed, I never ever thought I’d find myself looking for the British Toilet Association twitter thread.

Was ManFriday 2 years ago??

Yes, the Hampstead ponds swim was exactly 2 years ago this week (bank holiday Monday)

That's sort of a "least unpleasant fart you've ever smelled" sort of an award. Does anyone actually like public toilets? Well, other than the pervs.

Is there actually a British Toilet Association or is this just one grubby little perv rubbing both his hands and his thighs together?

Was ManFriday 2 years ago??

manfridayuk.org/2018/04/27/the-problem-with-gender-neutral-toilets/

A good start would be for him that brilliant woman who could explain to him why we have women's toilets in the first place, and what the provision needs to be to comply with equality regulations. I've forgotten her name but I bet someone will have a link.

Professor Clara Greed

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0038026119854274?journalCode=sora

I’d like public toilets to ensure they always have soap and hand drying facilities first. I’m not asking for much.

That first bit makes good sense "foot-operated flushes and self-closing seats to sensor-activated taps and soap dispensers." Many places have those already and they can be retrofitted without too much hassle.

I'd add self opening doors at the exit too. What's the point of washing and drying your hands properly, when you have to grab hold of a door handle (previously touched by everyone else leaving before you, many of whom will not have washed at all) and pull the door towards you to get out.

To go from "let's improve hygiene in our facilities" to "let's give perverts a boner and put women and children at increased risk" is astoundingly dodgy. Yet another example of attempting to sneak a change for the worse in under cover of some other much needed improvements, just like they did with self ID in Malta and Ireland, and very nearly got away with doing here too.

British Toilet Association’s managing director Raymond Martin needs to listen to women. A good start would be for him that brilliant woman who could explain to him why we have women's toilets in the first place, and what the provision needs to be to comply with equality regulations. I've forgotten her name but I bet someone will have a link.

I must admit, I was pleasantly surprised at how quick the DM readers picked up on the real reasons behind the suggestion. (I don’t care if you judge me, I read lots of papers to get a range of views except the red tops. I have SOME lines I won’t cross) The top comments were along the lines of food you think we don’t know what your real agenda is?” Lots of people saying that they had no intention of sharing with the opposite sex and it put women at risk.

FFS now covid-19 is being used to push the mixed sex loos argument?

Men can just learn to wash their hands better after a piss. Makes no sense to get rid of urinals.

Obviously for a certain pressure group though, this might not actually be about hygiene, that is just the on the face of it argument.

Didn't Target stores in the US get a big drop in customers after switching to unisex toilets?
Apparently they've started quietly reintroducing single sex toilets again.

Surely the obvious solution is to mark the existing urinals with appropriate spacing? It would half the existing Male provision making it closer to equivalent currently female provision.

Also - the whole country is entering into a massive recession. Where the hell would the money come from to refit all these toilets?
Let’s keep it how it is with public messages everywhere to “wash your hands.”

What? What remotely is the point of that? If you want to restart commerce, failing to provide appropriate toilets for either sex isn't the way to do it. Is he high?

I'm sure Jeff Bezos is pissing himself laughing somewhere. Amazon customers don't need bathrooms other than their own (obviously the workers do but that's a whole other story).

What? What remotely is the point of that? If you want to restart commerce, failing to provide appropriate toilets for either sex isn't the way to do it. Is he high?

Does he mean a corridor design? That doesn't work for pushchairs and wheelchairs.

There's a British Toilet Association?? That's my mind blown.