Express and Star article - head of British Toilet Association pushing for mixed loos

They want to remove all the urinals so you will be able to take him in the mens. SOLVED!

Its certainly one solution ish. but I'd still prefer unisex.

Because women aren't privileged in case you missed that memo.

Hahaha good one. I'll take my (limited) lack of privilege as a woman over DS lack of access to education finance employment toileting..... and now outside space. (As a woman you have access to outside space, DS now has to stay inside the house of indefinite period of time to facilitate everyones privilege, because why should the majority interest be compromised for a few?)

I don’t want to share a loo with men. Why should I? Why can’t women have these spaces?

Hands up everyone who has darted into the ladies loo to escape a creepy man? Or gone into the work loos to cry/hide when period pain
gets too bad/vomit when pregnant/even - god forbid - have a miscarriage?

I'm an atheist too. But I don't believe in taking even more of women's rights away by denying them the right to women-only spaces.

you want and to *hell with her

If my daughter wasn’t disabled but had suffered at the hands of a pervert, you think she should be forced to share with adult men, so you get what you want and to help with her and the many many women and girls that don’t want to share. Nice one.

I’m an atheist, but I have the decency to respect the religious beliefs of other people, in particular women. You actually believe that those women should have ALL their rights removed, by pushing for mixed sex toilets. If they are from ‘suppressive’ religion, you have just joined in their oppression, by forcing them out of society. How very woke of you.

Your DD is disabled. She could have access to the disabled. Same arrangement as you consider acceptable to my child. Accept presumably your DC far less likely to end up covered in poo by waiting.

I dont view religion, which historically has been one of the biggest surpresssers of women as a good argument. Not in a predominantly atheist country.

Hazelnutlatteplease "I can't walk through the men's and respect their privacy without not being able to see what I'm doing"
There's good news. They want to remove all the urinals so you will be able to take him in the mens. SOLVED!

I dont view the needs of a deeply unrepresented, deeply vulnerable and heavily discriminated against minority as less important than any majority

That would be the women and girls then? A "deeply unrepresented, deeply vulnerable and heavily discriminated against" group who happen to also be a majority in terms of numbers. Because women aren't privileged in case you missed that memo.

I dont view the needs of a deeply unrepresented, deeply vulnerable and heavily discriminated against minority as less important than any majority.

Unless that vulnerable person is a female.

If you have three loos DS would be able to access 30% or toilets. Unisex 100%.

And my daughter and others, including men, who are of certain religions have access to 0% toilets. How is that even the slightest bit fair?

Because we are promoting the needs of a great majority - women and girls - over a distinct minority - as you say you and your child's.

I dont view the needs of a deeply unrepresented, deeply vulnerable and heavily discriminated against minority as less important than any majority.

That’s a cope out and you know it. Three toilets would benefit everyone, so why are you against that?

Its not a cop out but repeating the same points gets boring.

I said in my first post that unisex would allow other family members of either sex to take DS into the loo but still be able to call me in if there was a problem. To elaborate at the moment if a male member takes him in and unexpectedly finds he needs cleaning up I cant go in and sort it out without heading into the males. A female member "shouldn't be taking him into the female loo" . Unisex makes it so much easier

If you have three loos DS would be able to access 30% or toilets. Unisex 100%. Especially when we are ambulant which would mean wheelchair accessible is left to those who need to space.. they will never make 50% of toilets wheelchair accessible because it would take up to make space. Realistically 3 spaces will mean they slap a gender neutral sign on the disabled

Me too actually, Id like to be able to use 100% of toilets available. Theres some suggestions that unisex loos reduce the time women spend wait considerably.

Why aren’t you answering the question? You’re waffling around it like a politician.

I’m starting to suspect that your demand for mixed sex toilets are less about your son and more about pushing women into losing female only spaces.

But saying its all abput you is a bit of an own goal. By promoting single sex you are promoting your needs over mine and my child's, especially as he gets older. How is that any better

Because we are promoting the needs of a great majority - women and girls - over a distinct minority - as you say you and your child's.

It's not all about you.

Totally agree with Ereshkigalangcleg we all promote our own needs .

But saying its all abput you is a bit of an own goal. By promoting single sex you are promoting your needs over mine and my child's, especially as he gets older. How is that any better?

You have every right to disagree. At this moment enough people agree with you that we still have single sex.

But the statement all women want is wrong. Not all women want. I dont and I know many other mums of SN children and adults who disagree.

I think there's anything more either of us can post without repeating ourselves.

We disagree. I think we've both covered the reasons why.

That’s a cope out and you know it. Three toilets would benefit everyone, so why are you against that? Why are you pushing for ALL the toilets to be mixed, when you know most people don’t want that?

A man or a boy post puberty can't walk into the ladies without violating their privacy. The fact that you don't care about other women's privacy doesn't mean it doesn't exist or that it won't feel violated.

I think the people insisting on unisex being the only answer simply have their fingers in their ears to any argument for single sex.
Personally, I prefer single sex, so does my DD and I will and have complained if that is withdrawn.

Unisex removes the dilemma

It might resolve your dilemma, but it causes multiple, massive dilemmas for many others, women and girls and some men too.

It's not all about you.

As we've established Hazel there is no solution that works for everyone. You are prioritising your needs, which is a perfectly reasonable position to take. So are others.

I dont think there's anything more either of us can post without repeating ourselves.

We disagree. I think we've both covered the reasons why.

I’m still waiting for you’re argument against three toilets, Hazelnutlatteplease

Or you could join the men who don't like urinals in their long running campaign to have them removed?

So does more access loos.

So the men's are for men and the ladies is for everyone

Yes because DS can walk to a cubicle in the ladies and not see a ladies private parts.

I can't walk through the men's and respect their privacy without not being able to see what im doing. Which is not so good if you have a child prone to falling and tripping

Unisex removes the dilemma.