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Trans community is “beyond terrified that our basic rights are about to be removed” the ‘Dear Liz’ campaign says

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stumbledin · 22/05/2020 00:05

Couldn't resist posting this quote from a PN article. As usual the total purple prose listing the anguish of trans peope because of a factual statement by Liz Truss is beyond parody.

" ... This week, Truss was slammed for comments about the “protection of single-sex spaces for women and girls”, which she said she would say more about when she publishes the government’s plans for GRA reform this summer.

Single-sex spaces are protected under the Equality Act 2010, and the Tories were clear when they set out plans for GRA reform in 2018 that they were “not proposing any amendments to the Equality Act 2010″.

This potential meddling with trans people’s ability to use the single-sex spaces that correspond with their gender identity has meant the trans community is “beyond terrified that our basic rights are about to be removed”, the ‘Dear Liz’ campaign says. ... "

So effectively they are saying they know that the right to single sex services means that trans do not qualify.

Although as we know so many organisation have given in to trans activism to claim that it does.

So it seems a straight forward statement by Liz Truss plus the ongoing challenges from Baroness Nicholson on the way the EA has been misrepresented has got them all rattled.

But sad to say (though no surprise) Labour is saying the EA should be changed to make gender identity the same as sex:

" ... And Labour’s shadow minister for women and equalities, Marsha de Cordova, told PinkNews that the government “must protect the rights of the trans community in its response to its consultation on the Gender Recognition Act”.

“It is important that this government does not interfere with protections under the Equality Act, which ensure that trans people are not wrongfully excluded from single-sex spaces,” Cordova said. ... "

www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/05/21/dear-liz-truss-trans-gender-recognition-act-reform-equality-letter-writing-campaign/

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MrGHardy · 22/05/2020 23:39

When you have no argument you must lie and appeal to emotion.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 22/05/2020 23:20

"We also want to ensure that under 18s are protected from making irreversible decisions" suggests that nope, some aspects of the TRA wish list at least will remain unfulfilled.

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stumbledin · 22/05/2020 23:17

Sorry - letter is from Secretary to Minister for Equalities

See threads here twitter.com/TotallyTills

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stumbledin · 22/05/2020 23:15

This is a link to a letter the named individual above has had which she thinks they are going to get what they want. (which by the way if you look at Liz Truss' original statement always said that trans people had the right to live as they like - but nothing medical before 18).

twitter.com/TotallyTills/status/1263808920881115140/photo/1

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TehBewilderness · 22/05/2020 22:51

"Dangerous precedent. If allowed to happen, this government can then use this case as a precedent to target other groups and strip away their rights. What is next on the hit list for ideological right wing government?

Human trafficking? Pay to rape? Child abuse and exploitation? There is no end to the rights men have taken for granted that will be stripped away by a government that does not respect male supremacy.

MartiniDry · 22/05/2020 19:58

Someone up thread wanted to know who was behind this campaign. Here it is...

Trans community is “beyond terrified that our basic rights are about to be removed” the ‘Dear Liz’ campaign says
ScrimpshawTheSecond · 22/05/2020 19:42

Insists that their transvegan burgers are cooked on the same skillet as the beanburgers. A third skillet would be so degrading.

Actually, isn't this what 'flexitarian' literally is?

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 22/05/2020 19:18

joined vegan parades while insisting that those who admit out loud they wouldn't eat animal products be excluded for making them unsafe and threatening to lynch any they find on the march

Ate a burger while walking in the parade, kept pointing out that it was made of beef and they had very right to eat it there and call themselves vegan, and possibly do the above while clothed in a meat dress a la Lady Gaga.

Michelleoftheresistance · 22/05/2020 19:13

lobbies the publishers of dictionaries and guides on veganism for organizations to include constant reminders that vegans can love a good bacon butty too

Not to mention bullies, scolds and harangues vegans for excluding meat and animal products from their vegan diet,

insists they could learn to love meat if they tried, lobbied for laws to criminalise vegans who said veganism meant not eating animal products as a hate crime,

Infiltrated and took over ALL vegan groups and vigorously insisted that the eating of and eaters of animal products must be centred in all conversations, and must be the only people allowed to speak for veganism while shutting down any groups stubbornly resisting

took selfies of themselves with swords eating meat while saying 'your view if you say vegans don't eat animal products on Twitter'

joined vegan parades while insisting that those who admit out loud they wouldn't eat animal products be excluded for making them unsafe and threatening to lynch any they find on the march

Lobbied to remove services (I suppose food availability in this case) from vegans who insisted they would not eat animal products

And then wail about hate crime and being beyond terrified when said vegans get a bit pissed off and state, clearly, the eating of animal products has no place in veganism.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 22/05/2020 18:54

Thing is, if someone wants to go around saying "I'm a vegan who loves steak and eggs and eats them for dinner twice a week" then that's odd and potentially rather annoying to vegans but if that was as far as it went most vegans would probably roll their eyes and try to ignore the person. It's when our hypothetical meat and eggs eating vegan starts trying to get vegan menus to be "inclusive" of their unique self definition and lobbies the publishers of dictionaries and guides on veganism for organizations to include constant reminders that vegans can love a good bacon butty too that mos vegans might rather run out of patience with said person's behavior, and decide to organize to prevent them from causing any further havoc.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 22/05/2020 18:51

Indeed, perhaps I'll have vegan steak tartare for dinner tomorrow.

littlbrowndog · 22/05/2020 18:47

Cmon kittens.

That egg has self id has a vegan egg. So has the steak.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 22/05/2020 18:44

ability to use the single-sex spaces that correspond with their gender identity this is just glorious; single sex spaces that include the opposite sex

It's like "ability to include eggs and steak in their vegan diet, and force others to accept that a vegan diet now includes both of those things".

DickKerrLadies · 22/05/2020 18:41

Why is that? Are they implying men are violent, or something?

Someone should tell them that NAMALT.

Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 22/05/2020 17:14

This lot aren’t sherpa’s they’re driving the funicular Grin no social distancing & the sunshine is strong above the cloud line.

ability to use the single-sex spaces that correspond with their gender identity this is just glorious; single sex spaces that include the opposite sex Confused

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 22/05/2020 17:11

The transabled, perhaps? Or transracial?

MockersxxxxxxxSocialDistancing · 22/05/2020 16:33

Claiming the basic right to use the segregated facilities of their choice.

Who else has this right?

truthisarevolutionaryact · 22/05/2020 16:20

Years ago who'd have thought that some men demanding access to women and girls undressing, showering and the rest would have ever been taken seriously?
Yet - here we are and they have no shame in shouting about it Hmm

caringcarer · 22/05/2020 16:11

I like to change when swimming, in female only changing rooms. If a trans person had had the operation and no longer has a penis I can cope with that, but no penis's in female changing rooms please. If a trans person still has a penis they do not belong in female changing area.

99 per cent of the population should not be made to feel uncomfortable to accommodate 1 per cent.

Datun · 22/05/2020 16:01

Yep. It never stops being true that reading the position of transactivists is what makes people gender critical.

They're not called Sherpas for nothing.

OneEpisode · 22/05/2020 15:55

Datun, I did read them a lot. They have double good untruth and “feelings”.

Datun · 22/05/2020 15:51

Yeah OneEpisode, that'll be the disingenuousness. Or hypocrisy, or deceit. Take your pick.

OneEpisode · 22/05/2020 15:49

So I’m not from around FWR, and when I noticed it, and I read the other side to check you out, their side made a really big, big thing about how phobic you all were and a really big thing about the Gender Recognition Act had nothing to do with single sex spaces. And you were just hateful to link the two issues. Because they weren’t related at all.
And now there is a letter writing campaign that says “I am currently scared that your plans for updates to the Gender Recognition Act would restrict me from accessing these; and other facilities”
Semicolon in the original.

Michelleoftheresistance · 22/05/2020 14:36

It really starts to become funny when stopping to consider the needs of female people is 'beyond terrifying' to this political lobby.

I'm increasingly visualising this lobby as Salome, demanding female humans sacrificed to them on a plate. With less dancing and a lot more screaming and throwing of toys.

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 22/05/2020 14:29

One question -

All these transwomen are scared and 'beyond terrified' to have to use, I presume, mens' toilets?

Why is that? Are they implying men are violent, or something?