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Job ad for CSA counsellor - must Self ID as a Woman

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OhHolyJesus · 19/05/2020 23:02

Ok I don't get it - is this discriminating against women who don't self-identify as women? They don't understand the exemptions do they?

https://survivorsnetwork.org.uk/about-us/join-our-staff-team/

Children’s Independent Sexual Violence Advisor (CISVA) Female at Survivors’ Network

Survivors Network are pleased to be recruiting a Children’s ISVA working with children 13 and under across Brighton & Hove and East Sussex. The Children and Young People’s service provides advocacy and support to children and young survivors of sexual violence and abuse. As a skilled case worker, you will have significant experience in working with children and vulnerable people, a commitment to working in a client-centred way and a good understanding of self care. Post holder to be largely based at our Eastbourne office, but will spend time in our central Brighton office, with travel across East Sussex.

This post is open to self-identifying women

For more information or an informal chat about this post please contact Aimee Pepper on [email protected] or 07736 294142 The closing date for applications is 9.00am on Friday 15th June 2020

This post is open to self-identifying female applicants only, as being female is deemed to be a genuine occupational requirement under Schedule 9 pt 1 of the Equality Act 2010, and is subject to an enhanced DBS check.
Survivors’ Network is an equal opportunities employer. We welcome applications from all sectors of our diverse community and applications from BME, LB and T women are particularly encouraged.

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spongedog · 20/05/2020 11:28

The reason I suggested complaining to the funding bodies and the local council was to make sure that those organisations cant hide behind a facade of deniability. In other words, they were told there was a breach and they then chose to ignore the reports. It should make them more accountable in the future. Hoping so anyway!

Dances · 20/05/2020 11:10

This is ABUSE. Pure and simple. Expecting child who has suffered child sexual abuse to pretend that they can't recognise their counsellor is man not a woman is ABUSE.

I am a survivor of CSA. This would have tipped me over the edge.. It's just fucking EVIL.

I'm so angry. Those poor children.

Isitnextyearyet · 20/05/2020 10:59

It is shocking. It's all so cleverly managed and so difficult to counter.

andyoldlabour · 20/05/2020 10:52

This situation is obviously becoming more common, so let's look at the basics.
Who is more likely to be the abuser, particularly sexually or physically violent, of young children under the age of 13?
That would be - men.
What would the likely reaction of a young and vulnerable child, who was placed under the care of a male bodied person, when they had been abused by a male?
I think this is a totally shocking situation, moreso because I believe it has been deliberately manufacted by very disingenuous people.

QueenYnci · 20/05/2020 10:46

I'm pretty sure this can't be legal. It makes no sense. You can't use the exemptions under the EA to allow for only females then allow some males to apply. That would be discriminating against other males with no good reason. If you want to be 'inclusive' in this way you surely can't exclude as well.

Isitnextyearyet · 20/05/2020 10:29

My young children seem at ease with separating identity and biology. I wonder how it's plays out when the idea is introduced so early (school, not home). I wonder how deep it goes.

SarahTancredi · 20/05/2020 10:17

So they want to take child sex abuse victims at their lowest times and make them very responsible for validating an adults identity?

Fucks sake. These children need someone they can trust not someone whose lying to them and abusing their trust yet again.

HorseRadishFemish · 20/05/2020 09:58

The applicant could, of course, just lie. (It's something that cannot be proven.)

Don't the "stonewall rules" say that you have to believe someone who says "I am a woman"...?

HPFA · 20/05/2020 09:48

What really puzzles me is why is it only women who have to put up with this "self-identifying" thing?

If white people were suddenly to start saying they "identify" as black and therefore understand all about racism and the issues black people face there would (rightly) be an outcry? Same if people without disabilities were to claim they personally experienced the discriminations faced by disabled people.

So why and when has it been decided that women have to be OK with this? And why do a fair number of women accept it?

ThinEndoftheWedge · 20/05/2020 09:43

Again - what does identifying as a women actually mean? I don’t identify as one, I am one. Does that mean I can’t apply?

Anyone who ‘identifies as a women’ but is not one, and applies for this job, by definition negates their suitability for the job.

Why don’t these organisations actually give a shit about women and children???!!!

truthisarevolutionaryact · 20/05/2020 09:25

Karen White's application is in the post ... Hmm

RoyalCorgi · 20/05/2020 09:09

Yes, I think it's OK to ask for lesbians only if there's a good reason for it, though I am not a lawyer so best not take my word for it.

I would love to know what would happen if a man self-identifying as a lesbian applied.

ChattyLion · 20/05/2020 09:08

But to actually support people who have been abused, organisations can’t just decide to be wilfully ‘blind’ to sex? Talking about the reality of sex, gender, power and socialisation will surely be a huge factor in the process of recovering from abuse- whatever the ‘gender identity’ of the abuser is?

How far are such organisations willing to take their denial of sexed reality? would they force people to use validating pronouns to ‘respect’ their abuser’s gender identity (if that varied from sex)? In what language would they expect them to describe body parts in that discussion? Can they not see the potential for causing further damage from gaslighting and encouraging cognitive dissonance?

OhHolyJesus · 20/05/2020 08:34

Thanks Royal I'm going to challenge this in some way, somehow.

Is it discriminatory to ask that only lesbians apply for example?

If this was for a lesbian magazine or a lesbian group or as a counsellor for lesbians who were also rape victims?

They would have men applying of course!

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RoyalCorgi · 20/05/2020 08:29

My understanding is that this is illegal. You are allowed to use the exemptions under the Equality Act to specify that a post is only open to female applicants. You are not allowed to use them to specify that a post is only open to female applicants and trans women. This is the basis on which Jennifer James has mounted a legal challenge to Labour's women-only shortlists.

Antibles · 20/05/2020 08:02

Angry Just imagine being a child victim of sexual abuse. You are traumatised and probably in a place of deep mistrust. You're invited to a counselling session whereupon you encounter a biological male identifying as a woman.

bluebluezoo · 20/05/2020 08:00

I don’t “self identify” as a woman. I don’t identify with a gender at all, because it’s a social construct. If pressed I would say I am gender free as I don’t conform to the social perception of either sex...

I am female though as determined by biological definitions.

Does that mean I am excluded from the role?

teawamutu · 20/05/2020 07:56

Another one for Baroness Nicholson? With her child protection interests I imagined it'd catch her attention...

JulieBindelAteMyHamster · 20/05/2020 07:55

Would a traumatised child / young person need someone empathetic, non judgmental, supportive, able to listen and support, beyond any thing else ?

An abused child has had their boundaries violated in the ugliest way. They deserve support from counsellors who embody integrity and trustworthiness, not men who 'self-identify' as women

MiddlesexGirl · 20/05/2020 07:49

That's how I understand it but its effect is to encourage self-ID and trans women and discourage biological women. Remind me never to move to Brighton.

Isitnextyearyet · 20/05/2020 07:44

sorry - a woman

Isitnextyearyet · 20/05/2020 07:44

I understand it as anyone who identifies as a women whatever the biology.

OhHolyJesus · 20/05/2020 07:30

I read it as they only want applications from transwomen.

It says (or said) self identifying women only, so that excludes:

Men
Women (who are gender free or not)
Non binary people of both sex

This is the first case I've seen where the EA has been applied for an exemption to only have trans women apply for a vacancy.

You can say you welcome applications from BAME, LGBT etc but to say you only want applications from one group is discrimination unless you have a good reason, which they do, but they wrote 'self identifying' rather than biological.

Am I wrong?

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Whatsnewpussyhat · 20/05/2020 00:33

How can they claim to want female only applicants then say they would particularly welcome applications from T women, who are male, and even with a GRC would legally be excluded due to their biology.

stumbledin · 20/05/2020 00:25

Ova I dont think this ad is in any way about getting trans women into posts. If it was they wouldn't refer to the EA.

It is worse than that. They literally cant bear to be seen recognising that women are biological females.

Funders who want groups to accept trans women for post will insist that the advertising makes that clear. They want the full woke acreditation for doing this.

This is about the mind games of trans activist bullying. Knowing that you mean and want women (biological females) but are too intimidated, brain washed to say it.

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