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Strangerthantruth · 19/05/2020 14:20

Davina Cooper responds to Mumsnet critics.

futureoflegalgender.kcl.ac.uk/2020/04/30/responding-to-gender-critical-feminism-on-gender-sex-and-a-generous-feminist-politics-in-anxious-times/#more-1141

I haven't read it all as it's long and mostly unoriginal. I will try to go back to it but if anyone else wants to read cutting edge thoughts on why men can claim to be women, here you go. Smile

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/05/2020 15:09

She’s an idiot.

There isn't really much else to be said.

Academicexposer · 19/05/2020 15:00

I’ve read some of her other work and lets just say that her style of expression makes Judith Butler’s work look accessible.

BettyFilous · 19/05/2020 14:58

Looking on the bright side, in about 100 years’ time some researcher will have an absolute treasure trove of contemporary data about how the whole concept of gender was argued into existence and the underpinning rationalisations. It is a gift to future generations.

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 19/05/2020 14:57

feminism that centres on reproductive capability

Twaddle. If you wanted to be accurate, you could perhaps say gc feminism centres on chromosomal sex, I suppose? It's certainly not reproductive capability, that's a (wilfully?) skewed idea and I'm not quite sure how the writer managed to derive it.

being men or women, masculine or feminine gather meaning, relationally and unequally, largely from each other

Eh? How so? Does she mean, like, feminine hair is longer than masculine hair?

Anyway, some of this actually looks interesting and I'd like to read it carefully, only I've got childcare to do on top of workingfrom home, so no time.

Academicexposer · 19/05/2020 14:52

She’s an idiot. Who even gives a shit about this stuff anymore? Coronavirus clearly doesn’t give a shit about feelz when it kills males more than females so it disproves all the nonsense that all that matters is personal perception of one’s identity. Added to that, we have a country that will be on its knees financially. In the post-Covid future, do we want three quarters of a million of public money going to ludicrous projects like Professor Cooper’s one?

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 19/05/2020 14:37

feminism that do[es] not centre sex

Remove the 'femin' bit, then. You've got an ism of some sort, but it isn't feminism.

Gism?

RuffleCrow · 19/05/2020 14:33

That's genderwang.

BitterAndOnlySlightlyTwisted · 19/05/2020 14:29

”the growing refusal, among many feminist, to recognise versions of feminism that do not centre sex is perturbing”

Do not centre sex?

I read thus far and then threw in the towel. Not worth my time to read such incoherent garbage

Kit19 · 19/05/2020 14:29

i am extremely bored of childlessness being dragged into this. I am not any less a woman because I cannot have children - no not all women experience becoming a mother, it does not mean they are not women

its basically 'well we couldground it in biology but that would negate our belief that feels are mor eimportant so we're going to wang on about some pseudo class based societal interpretations instead PS MN feminist are not feministing properly'