People with periods

True that totallyfuckedup

Why is the word woman like the word that should never be spoken.

It’s total bullshit

Thanks megle I have a bad habit of assuming everything in humans is the same as with animals

CovidicusRex

I don’t see any harm in trying to be inclusive of trans men. We all know what they mean.

I don’t see any harm in trying to be inclusive of women, by using the correct terminology. Why do I lose my descriptor just to appease a tiny group of people who are of the same sex as me, female, but want to imagine otherwise.

Wow I'm truly shocked

We had prostate cancer leaflets and charity collection at work for weeks.

"MEN WE ARE WITH YOU" was in large letters on the leaflets/poster

From the link posted by Raven;

''What is testicular cancer?
Testicular cancer is a type of cancer that only affects men (or a person with male genitalia who may identify as female). ''

preventative hysterectomy even.

rum I don't have a cervix following a preventable hysterectomy after bad smear tests.
And I am aware I don't have one and would be able to cope if they used "women" in their posters .

I was invited for a routine smear recently. The leaflet that arrived with the letter was 12 pages long and the word 'woman' didn't appear until page 10, and it was only in a graphic, not the text. I need to challenge it.

Transmen know they have female anatomy (probably acutely aware in fact) so why the rest of us - the 99.9% of us who are not trans - need to be written out baffles me. I'm offended that as a woman I'm not important enough to be mentioned in a women-only vital health procedure.

And I know the English language well. What about women who don't have a good knowledge of their own anatomy and/or don't have English as a first language and/or are not well educated/read easily? If it's supposed to be inclusive why would they exclude so many women?

Yeah I know that having a smear test is what I know about. But everyone with a cervix kind off looses me at what they mean.

It becomes a bit of what do they actually mean and who is it aimed at ?

For me anyway

This has been brought about by the same lot that scream at women and accuse us, especially lesbians, at being ‘obsessed with what other people have in their pants’, while claim to be word woman. Yet, when it comes to cervical smears, we’re not permitted to use the word women, but must be described by what we have in our pants and the rest of our bodies. They can fuck off.

People with testicles ...

"Testicular cancer exercise may be difficult for some people for up to a month or so after testicle removal surgery"
www.nrshealthcare.co.uk/articles/condition/testicular-cancer

"Some people with testicular cancer may have low sperm counts because of changes that occur in the testicles before the cancer develops."
www.nhs.uk/conditions/testicular-cancer/treatment/

"We don’t know what causes testicular cancer,but we do know that some people have a higher risk of developing the disease."
www.wales.nhs.uk/sites3/documents/577/testicular_09.05.pdf

In the end anatomy word salad is to everyone’s detriment if we aren’t truthful about the different medical risks and screening needs for the underlying sexed body beneath the surgery, hormones and clothes... or you need an a-level in biology to understand the leaflet

Its yet another example when everyone whether they consent to or not becomes responsibility for the mental and physical wellbeing of complete strangers after lobby groups fill their head with lies. We are all to pretend we dont exist as a firm of " treatment "

The cognitive dissonance is astounding. Care is apparently terrible they want better health care. But the health care providers have been "trained" to ignore reality and put the delusion on records leading to the very obvious result that they are not given the healthcare they need. But its our fault not theirs?

How many transwomen are sent invitations for smear tests they dont need and how many transmen arent sent the reminders ?

And this is the best way? Really? To just make sure no one accesses the treatment but least no one is offended? Well no one who matters anyway

'we all know what they mean'.

FFS, no we don't, its one of the reasons why they have to do campaigns in the first place.
Another being controlling men who don't want someone else interfering with 'their' woman, and who have to be told in plain English that this is a basic, necessary medical exam. (And this is another reason why some women must have a woman perform the PAP.)

This is all so basic. How is anyone arguing against it on a feminism chat board?

Good point Sarah... it assumes a degree of anatomical knowledge that not everyone has... plus everyone has a cervix if you’re talking about the neck in Latin (eg cervical vertebrae vs cervical smear).

Medical language such as ‘women’s health’, and even ‘smear test’ and ‘obs and gynae’ are typically easier for adult human females to understand relates to them and their health needs rather than “given anatomical structure haver” I don’t even know if you still have a cervix post hysterectomy for example, and I am a biologist by profession.

I’m not convinced that this is entirely about preserving the feelings of transmen but divorcing ‘woman’ from female biology to please the “womxn”

No one changes men’s language so the transmen don’t feel left out. Nor is “prostate haver” used routinely to include trans women - either because men wouldn’t stand for it, or trans women would possibly be offended.

In the end anatomy word salad is to everyone’s detriment if we aren’t truthful about the different medical risks and screening needs for the underlying sexed body beneath the surgery, hormones and clothes... or you need an a-level in biology to understand the leaflet.

This is mental. Can there possibly be any transmen with cervixes who don’t know they need screening? And are they really so sensitive that they can’t talk honestly with their healthcare providers with the confident expectation that they’ll be given the testing they need?

We need to keep pointing out this madness to our friends, families, etc, so that more and more people become aware of just what’s going on.

I would say they started out saying "Cervical screening for everyone" and then realised that sounded like men should get cervical screening too. This is a poorly phrased attempt to get "everyone" and "cervix" into a sentence.

Women who've had their cervix removed won't need it screened, in any case.

People with a cervix makes it sound like they are a minority health group with special anatomy. The people who don't go for smears already are likely to be people who will not get the nuance.

Surely you'd have a separate campaign for transmen? Given their rejection of their female body surely you would need a specially formulated campaign to reach them?

They could support "everyone who a cervix" to get screened by using the word woman.

Shouldn’t health messages be clear not a guessing game

But who is everyone. It’s really unclear. It’s like having to guess who everyone might be

There are many women across the UK with low educational attainment or English as a second language who will not understand that 'person with a cervix' includes them. Who vastly outnumber transmen.

And trans men, by definition, will be very aware of their female biology.

I don’t see any harm in trying to be inclusive of trans men. We all know what they mean.

State women and transmen then. Easy and clear.

Oh hold on - some adult males might not like misappropriation of the word women.

Its never " women and people with a cervix " is it.

Always the word woman removed completely. Opposite of inclusive

I don’t see any harm in trying to be inclusive of trans men. We all know what they mean.

Actually, 'we' don't all know what they mean. There are many women across the UK with low educational attainment or English as a second language who will not understand that 'person with a cervix' includes them. Who vastly outnumber transmen.