Intersexphobia - is that a thing now?

@TheProdigalKittensReturn I've got that song stuck in my head now

Oh it's the amusingly named IDAHOBIT again. How soon that's rolled around!

Whether they actually really have a DSD, or whether they don't at all but still want to climb into a nice warm bath of someone else's medical diagnosis and settle into a comfortable wank, all the while pretending their oppression and suffering is worse.

Oh I like that, it describes things perfectly.

It sounds like a shit day. Homosexuality, Bisexuality, DSD and Transgenderism are four entirely separate things with different needs and concerns, lumping them all togther helps no one.

Precisely, Barracker. Sing along now! One of these things is not like the other, one of these things is not the same...

The campaign for autonomy regarding surgery has not been focussed on repairing things that can be repaired and improve function and outcome. It has focussed on the historical practice of surgeons deciding that they would be better off making a male appear more like a female (or vice versa but technically less likely) and the child is raised as such and has no say in the matter, and has had to deal with that in adulthood. Once you remove testes, they can’t be put back. There’s no easy answers with it and modern day paediatric surgeons are aware of this and do their best by children in most cases.

But TRAs want kids to be able to access such medical treatment and surgical treatment ASAP. They want a healthy body to undergo medical treatment and when able, surgical treatment.

Thinking about this, am I mixing up physically abnormalities with DSDs? Not sure. Just basing this on a conversation with a surgeon who sometimes has to deal with these issues/advise on these decisions.

I am not sure that those who operate on babies/children with DSDs are always wrong to do so, any more than it is always wrong, for example, to remove large strawberry birthmarks or address a cleft lip. As I understand it DSDs sometimes create conditions that are easy to fix in the very young but which get harder to treat as the person gets older. I know this assumes that such conditions are regarded as ones that need to be fixed and that some people object to that in principle, but I think that the issues are much more complex than that and that such a position assumes that DSD conditions are neutral rather than abnormal (and/or take the position that we cannot determine what normal for humans is without invalidating the humanness is those that do not fit - another facet/consequence of post-modernist thinking). DSDs may cause physical problems if left untreated. I also don’t think it is unreasonable to consider the mental harm that might be caused by leaving a condition unaddressed (especially one that could have been easily resolved) though I accept that ideally no-one’s mental health should be affected by their bodies. I am not saying that there aren’t more conditions that could be left or that the balance is right - I don’t know enough about it frankly- but that rejecting all interventions is an extreme position not necessarily the moral one.
I am also not sure that trying to tie it in with FGM is helpful.

The biggest culprits for intersexphobia are trans activists.

They appropriate intersex conditions as demonstrating their own incongruity, even though those trans activists have no form of DSD at all, as if the existence of intersex only serves to validate the completely bogus idea that “sex is a spectrum”.

They show complete ignorance of what conditions are intersex, what that means and has historically meant, and think it’s just a word of a singular group.

And they are actively campaigning for the exact opposite of what intersex campaigners have long advocated for: that children need time and maturity, and need to reach adulthood before irreversible hormonal and surgical options are imposed on children.

So I would say yes, intersexphobia is a thing and it’s TRAs who need to stop.

Intersex Traits (whether they are actually born with them or simply exhibit non-bonary gender identity or expression

Whether they actually really have a DSD, or whether they don't at all but still want to climb into a nice warm bath of someone else's medical diagnosis and settle into a comfortable wank, all the while pretending their oppression and suffering is worse.

To paraphrase a quote.

I think it's being dragged in as cover for trans yet again.

Intersexphobia has long been a thing. It is the need of the medical establishment to mutilate people, especially children, with a DSD condition in order that the public at large can feel comforted that something outside of the norm has been "normalised".

With this in mind, do a compare and contrast with the affirmation of "trans kids" with confused sexual identities being put on the track to have drug and surgical interventions having lifelong consequences.

This is what I found from a quick search for intersexphobia.

Intersexphobia and Interphobia are defined as negative attitudes and feelings towards people who are believed to possess biological sex traits that are not typically male or female, known as Intersex Traits (whether they are actually born with them or simply exhibit non-bonary gender identity or expression, which is commonly associated with having congenital Intersex Traits.

Interphobia is evidenced in widespread violence and severe discrimination against intersex people, such the practice of Intersex Genital Mutilation (IGM). IGM is the medicalized effort to eradicate intersex people from society by “normalizing” intersex bodies into more typically male or female bodies in order to maintain sex and gender norms.

www.intersexequality.com/what-is-interphobia/

These two paragraphs seem to be describing two very different things. IGM is obviously wrong - people should only have such surgery if they want it, not because they have been forced to or coerced.

The first paragraph conflates intersex and transgender, and also implies that anyone who, for example, questions whether Caster Semenya is actually female is guilty of intersexphobia. (My understanding is that Semenya has a male intersex condition.)

I think it's a good question, and ultimately only those with diagnosed & recognised DSDs can really answer. The only really vile and callous abuse of people who have DSDs that I've seen has been from trans activists online. But it's interesting how none of the LGBTI orgs claiming funding on advocacy for those diagnosed with DSDs ever call out that abuse.