Owen Jones on Twitter today

"I was genuinely upset about a Times hack ridiculing my "childfree privilege" (🎻🎻🎻) because I've always desperately wanted to be a dad, but being gay does make that hard."

If only there were some kind of word to explain what he means. I understand from Stonewall that 'Gay' no longer refers to same sex relationships, so its not clear why he couldn't have children.

Meanwhile he has been retweeting allegations that Julie Bindel is the leader of a powerful lesbian cult.

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On that score I have sympathy with Owen Jones, and with anyone who wants to be a parent and can't, whatever the reason.
Well, that was part of my point in a way - where does gender-attraction fit into it?

I find it very difficult to believe that Owen Jones would not be allowed to adopt or foster children.

If we had gifs it would make it harder for the DM to copy and paste from here.

On that score I have sympathy with Owen Jones, and with anyone who wants to be a parent and can't, whatever the reason. I'm an older mum myself and I know how it feels to be patronised for being childless. It does happen and it's painful.

Different subject, but I wondered about his tweet saying "I was genuinely upset about a Times hack ridiculing my "childfree privilege" (🎻🎻🎻) because I've always desperately wanted to be a dad, but being gay does make that hard."

He doesn't give any reason as to why it's harder for gay people than straight ppl to become parents (assuming he means gay as same-gender- identity attracted rather than the apparently outdated same- sex attracted) - does he mean that because there is a smaller pool of trans men than of bio men? But what is the difference? Is biological sex important in a partner or not? Or is he only referring to adoption?

'My flatmate made me do it'

Does LOJ ever take any responsibility for anything.

Ah but he didn’t employ the cleaner.

Indeed. I have a friend very much of the hard left whose kids go to private school - but only because his wife insisted on it. That's OK, then.

We need gifs on here. This does not adequately express my mirth level at this comment ^^

I wonder if Owen's cleaner is called Karen?

Heaven forbid that a 'middle class white professional' woman should speak up about inequality...

"Some fuckwit would call her a karen.."

Quite a number of people calling Baroness Nicholson a Karen for speaking up about women's and children's rights.

Bwahahahaha!

But did the silly fucker not realise he was bound to get asked that question? Walked right into that one!

That face is quite something

Ah but he didn’t employ the cleaner.

Must live with middle class women with good jobs.

This is a thing of beauty

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Oh his face on the show when he was asked if he has a cleaner has made my day.

Ok, so I thought Owen would do a shit Guardian column about this rather than go on the radio, but either way now both of them have managed to get more work and attention using cleaners as a weapon to throw at each other. Called it days ago.

I find it leaves me pretty much exhausted because invariably the discussion will lead to white women being the victim or something about white privilege not existing because someone will pop up to say they grew up in a sink estate with a tin of beans between all 10 members of their family therefore white privilege isn't a thing

This is exactly my point - this logic used to argue that Meghan Markle can't possibly have been the target of racism and a comparatively highly paid BBC presenter can't possibly have been the target of sexism, because look at all these other people who have less privilege.

To maintain the social order, privilege must be restricted.

OJ shared a link to a hardship fund for domestic workers.

Of course he did, the virtue-signalling little shit.

I think of the Guardian as a left-wing, woman-hating rag.

I can think of at least 4 columnists who write for the Spectator and the Guardian. I am sure there are more.

My mistake, you didn't call The Spectator 'right wing' - you described them as 'hard right'. I'm afraid that makes it difficult for me to take anything else you say seriously.

I believe the 'right wing, women hating rag' was the Spectator, which, whatever you think of their politics, has been one of the few publications to challenge the TWAW narrative.

It seems pretty clear to me that it’s not good to make a cleaner come to your house during the pandemic. It was gross to see lots of people who employ cleaners logon to say how much their cleaner loves cleaning for them - David Baddiel and Philip Hensher both did this and Janice Turner claimed something along the lines of cleaners “deriving meaning” from cleaning houses. I don’t like I see employers rhapsodising about how much their employees love working for them - it seems like projection, in the same way it does when clients of sex workers log on to twitter to talk about how the worker they see really enjoys their time together. And obviously everything that that happens on twitter is performance to some extent, but I thought it was a striking contrast that on the one hand, SD immediately wrote an article for some hard-right woman-hating rag about the kerfuffle, and OJ shared a link to a hardship fund for domestic workers.

.. Heaven forbid that a 'middle class white professional' woman should speak up about inequality...

Some fuckwit would call her a karen..