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Megan Murphy speaks out in new article

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kesstrel · 13/05/2020 09:43

A quote from the article:

For a long time, I thought there were two different movements: the third wave — the mainstream faux-feminists who fought not for women, but for the Instagrammable, superficial status quo; and the real, radical, grassroots women’s movement, fighting against actual oppression and violence, fighting for real women’s lives. I still think this is true to a certain extent. The women I know and work with in the real world are doing just that. But I now think there is a third faction: the internet feminists. The ones who profess radical politics, while refusing to go public, who refuse to speak out under their own names and faces, whose feminism only exists on social media, and who guard feminism from outsiders. It is a “feminism” that speaks about women’s lives, but fails to understand women’s lives. It supports diversity in concept, but not in practice. It is puritanical, judgemental, and not only ineffective, but destructive. It offers the illusion of action, minus the action. It tricks the individual into believing she is working at something — that she is part of an (in)group and community that is doing something important. But what is accomplished, most often, is a never ending series of internet wars and drawing of lines: good/bad, right/wrong, black/white. The world is grey. Women are nuanced. We are human. If I cannot be nuanced, honest, and human, I do not want this movement. Does this movement want me? Or does it want an illusion of perfection?

www.feministcurrent.com/2020/05/12/heterodox-women-feminism-needs-independent-thinkers-or-we-lose/

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Floisme · 13/05/2020 19:29

The salient point for me was not so much about anonymity but about the 'battle for political purity'

ThinEndoftheWedge · 13/05/2020 18:50

"I'd also point out that in many cases people who are anonymous on the internet may well be active in some way in women's rights (or other areas?)."

Agreed - as someone said in another thread- writing the county council/MP - responding to consultations, questioning your school’s policies, making formal complaints about lack of single sex toilet provision, reminding people about biological reality in everyday conversations - it all helps. Foot soldiers are vital.

Public activism is particularly difficult when you work in a regulated industry that should know better - but has drunk the koolaid.

Cascade220 · 13/05/2020 15:28

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Goosefoot · 13/05/2020 15:12

I'd also point out that in many cases people who are anonymous on the internet may well be active in some way in women's rights (or other areas?) in "real life". Typically named internet activists are either more high profile or in the media. Plenty of grassroots activists have no reason to have their name spread all over the world.

Goosefoot · 13/05/2020 15:10

This is an interesting article and I think it touches on some real insights.

I'm not sure about her connecting what she is talking about so strongly to what she is calling anonymous internet activism. There has been a tendency to this kind of policing within feminism since before there was the internet. Murphy is relatively young and maybe that was before her time?

But I also would not have said there was a particularly strong correlation between these people policing others and having issues with independent thought and the anonymous and people she seems to be thinking of.

Z0rr0 · 13/05/2020 14:37

Interesting.
I think she is sort of right but also I think in the current climate it can be difficult to speak out under one's own name when people who don't like your opinion have no qualms in alerting your employers to that fact.
Some internet feminists might be doing more outside the online space but not feeling confident to go public on that.
A lot of online feminism can seem judgey and destructive if it only amounts to arguing, but to say that's all they're doing is a bit judgey in itself!