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Guardian interview with Juno Dawson

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RoyalCorgi · 11/05/2020 09:56

The Guardian is once more peddling male fantasies of what a teenage girl is:

www.theguardian.com/books/2020/may/11/juno-dawson-trans-alice-wonderland-interview-spice-girls

Dawson has written a novel based on Alice in Wonderland, but with a trans lead character:

'Wonderland is also a wake-up call to anyone who believes gender reassignment might be a happy-ever-after. Alice has recently returned to school after three months in hospital following a suicide attempt. “While I’m delighted with my perky little boobs,” she says, “I was profoundly disappointed that my urge to cut myself didn’t vanish with the first milligram of oestrogen to pass my lips.” Her problems, Dawson points out, are those of all too many young women. “When I’m at the Hay book festival or at Yale, these teenagers come into my signing queues and they are scarred. It must be talked about because it permanently affects girls.”'

Yes, teenage girls are really delighted with their perky little boobs, you misogynist little creep.

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Sheerahah · 11/05/2020 11:59

The WhatsAp she’s on that consists of a group of young transwomen who were lucky enough to transition before they went through a Male puberty ie. they were young boys put on puberty blockers at 12? 13? 14? or 15? That Juno admits to being envious of? That made me feel uncomfortable. I’m sure they’re all in their late teens/early 20s now but Juno is 38! Are all these young transwomen fantasising over their own hypersexualised bodies like Juno appears to be. Did they begin their own transitions so they could be fucked like a woman? Juno sounds like they want to be a Julie Burchill writing Sugar Rush. I wonder if they’ve ever met?

Datun · 11/05/2020 11:37

It's not just the porny, male centric content. Juno them self comes across as fairly damaged, at least to me. There's a lot about how straight men fancy them. At least twice in that one interview alone, heterosexual and straight is applied to the men attracted to Juno. How Juno had an affair with an unnamed Premier League footballer, etc. Despite Juno themself saying that being a gay man is a consolation prize.

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nauticant · 11/05/2020 11:37

I'd not been that interested in Dawson, I'd seen some very carefully created photos and assumed they'd be a 20-something, so a young transitioner. They're around 40 and seem to have transitioned in their mid-30s.

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 11/05/2020 11:35

Uncomfortable doesn't even begin to touch it, BadLady.

How old is Dawson?

How many other adult writers write teenagers' sexual fantasies and get lauded in the press?

I'll tell you - none. NONE. Because it has always, ALWAYS been completely beyond the pale to cross that line.

Ex-teacher? Oh my word.

BadLady · 11/05/2020 11:32

I find it uncomfortable to know that an ex-teacher is writing these kind of stories about teenage girls. Sad

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ThrowingGoodAfterBad · 11/05/2020 11:22

Sooo... she's basically written a Mills&Boon book for trans and thinks this will 'change the world'?? What fools keep giving these people airtime?

The teenage girls that I know who are scared are scared of teenage boys and men, particularly the creepy ones who can't get their minds away from wanking off and the aggressive ones who can't keep their hands to themselves and won't stay out of their spaces.

Datun · 11/05/2020 11:19

What is a middle-aged late transitioner (5 years ago apparently) doing writing porny novels for teenage girls? Seriously.

RoyalCorgi · 11/05/2020 11:18

Just when I think it’s no longer possible for the Grubian to drop any lower in my eyes, they prove me wrong.

It's so depressing. It's just abhorrent. In the print edition, it immediately follows an interview by Hadley Freeman with Tony Slattery, which is an outstanding piece of journalism, in my view, and the kind of content that keeps me buying the paper. I don't see how an editor could have read this completely uncritical interview with Dawson and thought it acceptable.

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NiteFlights · 11/05/2020 11:08

The Graun never allow comments on this misogynist shit!

T0tallyFuckedUpFamily · 11/05/2020 11:02

That is vomit inducing. Just when I think it’s no longer possible for the Grubian to drop any lower in my eyes, they prove me wrong. 🤢

OldCrone · 11/05/2020 10:59

Clymene
The gay male author of that earlier article is unimpressed by Dawson's assertion that being gay is a consolation prize for not being a woman.

Clymene · 11/05/2020 10:55

Allegedly Datun. Although I struggle to imagine a book being published about a positive spin on a teenage girl who has sex with multiple married men. Women who do that are never heroines, they're sluts.

Clymene · 11/05/2020 10:53

That's a great article OldCrone. It wouldn't be published today

Datun · 11/05/2020 10:50

Is this meant for teenagers???

KaronAVyrus · 11/05/2020 10:49

Male body writers can never write female characters. They always write about their lingerie/nipples etc instead of what’s going on in their brain.

Clymene · 11/05/2020 10:47

And the lead trans character is raped by two teenage girls? Yeah right

What a load of misogynist male fantasy bullshit.

Datun · 11/05/2020 10:45

Dawson writes, “their bodies hard and wet. Firm hands grab at my breasts, pull on my nipples.

Dest lord.

corlan · 11/05/2020 10:41

Interesting how transwomen so often fetishise the female body. As if that is all being a woman is about to them.

Datun · 11/05/2020 10:37

Alice is shadowed by a mysterious character in a cat hoodie, while the Tweedle twins are social media influencers with an abusive sexual interest in transgender girls.

Course they are.

AbsintheFriends · 11/05/2020 10:30

Grin NotBad

Germaine's subsequent backtracking and vociferous assertion that TWAW is testament to the power of Dawson's actions.

Oh - wait...

Lottapianos · 11/05/2020 10:26

Read this interview this morning and Hmm the whole way through. Juno has not a clue what a woman actually is, and zero interest in finding out either. Seems to just want to be a walking fantasy

NotAGirl · 11/05/2020 10:24

What 17 year old girl wants to have sex with random married men Hmm not denying they want sex but boring married men?

Reads like a male fantasy

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