Young women don't know what a woman is

No zebra, you are the one making all the allegories to disability that I can see
You keep bringing it up over and over again
Harping on about your disability and why the fact that you can be helped through medical and surgical intervention somehow means that children with gender dysmorphia should also have medical and surgical intervention

you , not anyone else that I can see, are equating a disability with a natural transient part of growing up as a gender none conformant female in a sexist society

Bariatric surgery ...but I thought that was for people who are so seriously overweight their health is at risk ?

The changes that they want to make.

So if children want puberty blockers because they don't like their changing bodies, they should be given them?

@Hearhoovesthinkzebras

This isn't about you. You are an adult, you deal with you however you want to. Whether surgery can or cannot help you is not relevant to the discussion.

We are talking about children in general terms learning to accept themselves and not being told their bodies are wrong, regardless of whether they have functioning bodies that they don't like, or bodies that don't function as they should.

Whether it matches your experience of childhood disability or not, the fact is many children have problems that can not and never will be fixable. It is a generally accepted belief that it is best for these childrens mental wellbeing to be taught to love their bodies regardless of their faults.

R0wantrees

Maybe you should take it up with the person who misrepresented her then?

But according to that quote from Michelle Moore, you shouldn't have had a hip replacement. You should have learnt to accept your body despite the difficulties and it not working as it should.

This is a gross misrepresentation of Professor Michelle Moore

A Woman's Place takes nerves of steel (Sheffield, 20th September 2018) Michele Moore

'Professor Michele Moore is an expert in Inclusive Education and Disability Studies. She leads human rights projects across the world to support children, their families and those who work with them. She is the Co-Editor of the ground-breaking book Transgender Children and Young People, Born in Your Own Body from Cambridge Scholars. Michele will be discussing ideas from the book – the implications of self-declaration of gender for children and young people, including disabled children'

What changes does a trans person need to make to their body in order for it to function properly?

The changes that they want to make.

Why do bariatric patients have surgery? They don't need it. Their bodies function perfectly well without it, if they ate properly and exercised and maybe had counselling. People who have cosmetic surgery have functioning bodies, but some aspect is causing psychological harm and so they have surgery.

Hooves is so clearly on a derail. Tedious. But the more this gets dragged out the more people see the empty arguments and nonsense. I only wish they’d go on the main boards so others can see it too. Sunlight on the ideology, sunlight on the tactics.

testing987654321

Then post about children who consider themselves to be trans gender. Don't try and drag children with disabilities into it and hold them up as a kind of "look at how these children manage, you should do the same" example.

If what you are saying is correct, that acceptance goes along with doing what's possible to change your body how does that fit with the trans issue?

By definition, some aspect of a disabled person's body doesn't function as it does in someone without that disability. For example, someone who was born without legs might be given prosthetic legs in order that they can walk. It would be inhuman to deny such help to such a person if this help is available and just tell them to 'accept' their body.

What changes does a trans person need to make to their body in order for it to function properly?

How many children dream of being born a princess or be able to fly, or to be able to speak to their cat or that their toys come alive at night. Or the children that freak out their parents with invisible playmates or stories of past lives?

I remember dreaming when I was about 4 that I drove dads car. It was very vivid and I couldn’t be persuaded that it was a dream - I was armament that I had driven the car. They sat me in the seat - how could you see over the wheel? How could you reach the pedals? Where did you go? How did no one see you?... I stubbornly kept to my story.

Children really do have amazing imaginations.

Exactly, bint, and the idea that transgender children were born "in the wrong body" is ridiculous. We all are our one body, the right one for each of us.

Last go. ‘Transgender’ children do not have any limitations. They have fully functioning sexed bodies - or would do if left alone.

Again Hooves knows all this but is a tiresome derailer.

attackedbycritters

Because a poster said that just as children with a physical disability have to accept their body, with all of its limitations, so too should trans gender individuals.

Some people like to make every thread about themselves. There’s a name for it.

So your disability is one that there might possibly be a cure for, one day

No it isn't. My condition is genetic and affects every organ and every system in my body. There's no cure and will never be a cure. But there might be surgeries or treatments that I can have to correct each thing that goes wrong. Or, I could just sit back and accept that this is it, my body is defective and limit myself. That's not for me. The only thing that motivates me is to keep fighting for the next stage.

I am getting confused as to why this has veered into a discussion around disability and its treatment, and then linked to the transgender question, since the evidence is that dysmorphia is a mental illness not a form of disability?

CaliforniaMountainSnake

I was a child with this disability. I was born with it. Doctors told my mum and dad to accept it. I was told to accept it. They tried to make me accept it. By the time I was 14 I refused. It was affecting my life too much. I had one surgery to try and alleviate an issue that didn't work and the surgeon recommended a far bigger, more radical surgery. I wanted to do it my parents refused. They wanted me to accept my condition. Eventually I got my way. It was really tough but it did help that one part of the problem for many years. Now, I'm struggling far more, in part due to that surgery, and my condition is affecting much more of my body. Still I'm being told to accept it but I don't want to. In my case, had I accepted my situation at age 14 my life would not be what it is now so I don't regret my choice. But that's the point - I was given a choice by drs who advocated for me.

OldCrone

If that's the interpretation we were meant to have that you learn to accept after any relevant medical or surgical treatment is done, how does that fit in with trans issues, which is what is was cited to justify?

It was quoted as a way of justifying psychological treatment, in order to accept your body as it is, rather than taking drugs or having surgery to try and change it. If what you are saying is correct, that acceptance goes along with doing what's possible to change your body how does that fit with the trans issue?

(That was meant as a response to Scrimshaw's post, lots of people typing fast today.)

It suggests that one might be somehow moved into a different body, FaceOff style, which is absurd to adults as a concept, but makes more sense when you realize that it's children being targeted.

Lamahaha

But according to that quote from Michelle Moore, you shouldn't have had a hip replacement. You should have learnt to accept your body despite the difficulties and it not working as it should.

I'd forgotten about that question Pertella. No, I don't think Hooves has answered any of my questions. I think Hooves is ignoring all my posts.

'born in the wrong body'

This, for me, is a horrendous thing to suggest to anyone as a concept. It aligns very well with the values of cosmetic surgeons. Can't see it being beneficial to anybody else.

In amongst all the post I missed if Hooves had answered the question they had been conspicuously ignoring last night?

Children are being taught that they can be 'born in the wrong body'. Do you think this is a good idea?

Or has it just been more deflection and tangent and pretty much business as usual from them?