Young women don't know what a woman is

I think Scott here has some relevant points on Transing kids. They absolutely can't consent to it, they can't possibly understand. It is going to be a huge scandal, hopefully sooner rather than later.

Advanced search is always a useful tool when looking at a poster who spectacularly derails a thread. It's so often the same pattern

Half the thread odette half the thread...

And half of every other thread they post on too. Truly a master of the craft of the merail.

Half the thread odette half the thread...

And thats the amazing thing

Merailing

Yes that’s the word I was looking for , thanks.

To think as a species we’d managed to outgrow foot binding for that alluring teeny tiny feet and inability to walk, rib removal & suffocating corsets to get a teensy waist...

The thing about puberty blockers, binders, surgery on the genitals, long term use of artificial hormones etc is that they have a negative impact of the health of the body. Which is something the medical profession generally does not encourage, especially in children.

So, in terms of trans issues what does acceptance mean to you? That could mean using puberty blockers couldn't it?

No. Because there is nothing wrong with the body. It does not need treatment or medication. In fact, medication (ie puberty blockers) would cause it to malfunction.

I think the "serenity prayer", slightly amended, explains it well. It doesn't have to be religious:

"May I have serenity fortitude to accept the things I cannot change,
courage to change the things I can,
and wisdom to know the difference."

Among the things one "cannot change" would be sex.

OldCrone

I'm not misinterpreting. My interpretation of acceptance means doing nothing. Your interpretation of acceptance apparently means accept treatment, or medical assistance.

So, in terms of trans issues what does acceptance mean to you? That could mean using puberty blockers couldn't it?

we could just tell them that it's fine to have whatever interests they have and if other people tell them that girls/boys don't like that particular thing then those people are wrong

Well, Dragon's Den isn't going to go for it as a marketing plan, tho.

Whereas we could just tell them that it's fine to have whatever interests they have and if other people tell them that girls/boys don't like that particular thing then those people are wrong

Exactly so. My son is 7 and we are starting to get the 'but pink is for girls' type of thing starting. Hes getting the 'it's just a colour/toy/whatever thing and you can wear/play/use it if you want' response.

If you are using prosthetic limbs then you aren't just accepting it are you? You're using prosthetics, not just having counselling to learn to accept life without legs.

Yes, this is what acceptance looks like. Accept that you have no legs. Adapt to life using prosthetics.

You have an immense talent for misinterpreting and misunderstanding what others are saying.

Whereas we could just tell them that it's fine to have whatever interests they have and if other people tell them that girls/boys don't like that particular thing then those people are wrong. It seemed to work relatively well in the 70s and 80s. If people persist in haranguing the child in an attempt to make them more gender conforming then that's bullying and should be dealt with as such.

If it wasn't your comment another would have been found

As if by magic...

Children are being offered a 'cure' for a problem they weren't aware they had.

First we tell them that the way they behave and the things that they like dont match the behaviour and things that they are supposed to like because of the body they were born in.

Then we tell them its OK because we can change your body so it's a bit more like the body type that likes the things you like.

If you have no legs, isn't it better to adapt to life with prosthetic limbs or using a wheelchair rather than refusing to accept your condition and being constantly angry about the way you were born?

If you are using prosthetic limbs then you aren't just accepting it are you? You're using prosthetics, not just having counselling to learn to accept life without legs.

Ah, I see.

'haven't yet achieved the level of cognitive development that would allow them to recognize that what they're being promised isn't possible'.

Yes.

It's not your fault, testing. If it wasn't your comment another would have been found.

I've got to say though, it's been a very effective tactic. So hats off for that.

I feel like I have to apologise for providing the comment which was used for this. Both me and other people pointed out it was being misinterpreted, subsequent to that being ignored it was obviously a deliberate misinterpretation designed to prevent actual discussion.

I can't recall who coined the word 'merailing'.

You're misreading that sentence. My point was that children are not yet able to fully understand that just because an adult tells them that changing sex is possible that doesn't mean it's true.

They are being promised a lie. Any child can tell them.

what they're being promised isn't possible yet.

Not 'yet'.

What they're being promised isn't possible, full stop.

Or the extra people on your head who you're apparently meant to be having a dialogue with.

That was a joke, btw. Your biological sex is what determines whether you're a man or a woman, not the feelings in your head.