Young women don't know what a woman is

Fucking hell, it's happening again isnt it 🤦‍♀️

and afterwards I thanked you for your reply.

Oh how magnanimous of you. And then looked for the next opportunity to stick the boot in.

I only asked for this once, and I would have fully understood if you had declined because of the personal nature of the information. You chose to give far more detail than I asked for or expected and afterwards I thanked you for your reply.

Two separate posts you asked me questions in and in that one quote there there are several questions. How dare you ask for that information just to use it to attack me.

No, my argument is what I actually posted, not what comes out of the other end of your word translation filter.

And certainly don't ask personal questions and then accuse the person of talking about themselves when they answer

Pertella

So, you're argument is that I was talking about myself too much and in protest at that the answer was to ask me several questions about myself and my medical condition, including why certain decisions were made?

Oh, of course, yep uh huh. That all makes perfect sense.

Don't ask questions and then complain when they get answered

Nor have I asked a poster repeatedly to divulge personal information to then use it to throw back in their face.

If that is directed at me, just let me remind you of what I said:

Can you explain in general terms why they didn't want to treat your condition? I realise this is a very personal issue (but you're the one who has been keen to put your own experience in the spotlight), so obviously I'm not asking for specifics, but more generally. For example, did the treatment have a low success rate, or did it mean you would experience a lot of pain afterwards? Or was it just very expensive?

I only asked for this once, and I would have fully understood if you had declined because of the personal nature of the information. You chose to give far more detail than I asked for or expected and afterwards I thanked you for your reply.

I'm not going to respond directly to you again since you keep insisting on misrepresenting what I have said.

Only women who agree with you are allowed an opinion.

Well, that hasn't been my experience. Am I lying then?

Why were people asking you personal questions Hooves? Oh yes, it's because you introduced it as part of your merail.

If I used my disability as a tool to shut down a debate it would be a bit shit to then complain about people responding to that whilst simultaneously complaining that debate isnt allowed

But a debate only works if both parties are willing to explain their thinking and not just twist people's words and/or assert that everyone else is a bully.

Come off it. That has been in the last few minutes.

I have been explaining my opinion and why I hold it, I've answered questions just to be face abuse.

Debate is absolutely not welcome on this board. Anyone who posts in disagreement is treated exactly as I'm being treated right now. All of the same phrases are used.

Only women who agree with you are allowed an opinion.

I wonder how many young women know perfectly well that what they're saying when they say TWAW isn't true

As I said before, theres no consequences for parroting TWAW when your boundaries havent been breached.

OldCrone

And you had no right to ask me personal questions to then turn round and accuse me of merailing or only being concerned about myself, when I asked them.

That was low. I responded to you in good faith.

Yes! I had 'you're bullies' on the list.

Me too. I knew it was coming, I could have set my watch by it.

I disagree that debate isn't 'allowed' here. I've had debates many many times, and seen many others have debates. But a debate only works if both parties are willing to explain their thinking and not just twist people's words and/or assert that everyone else is a bully.

Good for you. At least I'm not a coward who hides behind name changes. Nor have I asked a poster repeatedly to divulge personal information to then use it to throw back in their face. So yes, bullies is an apt description.

And my opinion is just as valid as the rest of your opinions.

Hooves does not care what is going on in schools. Hooves will not answer that point. This is classic derailment and we must just let it go.

And hooves is unable to see outside her own personal experience. If it hasn't happened to her or someone she knows it hasn't happened anywhere any anyone who says otherwise must be making it up.

The only thing important to hooves is hooves' own personal experience.

It's merailing.

Yes! I had 'you're bullies' on the list.

Just waiting for the supporters with no posting history now... 🤞

I wonder how many young women know perfectly well that what they're saying when they say TWAW isn't true, but also know that the consequences of saying so are so harsh that they won't say so even on an anonymous survey.

popehilarious

I haven't been misunderstanding. I have disagreed. The gaslighting that some posters have engaged in however, by trying to persuade me that what was said wasn't actually said, or if it was said wasn't what was meant has been eye opening.

What I am learning about this board is that a) only women who agree with you 100% are allowed an opinion and that b)there is only the pretence of a debate on here.

You can all say what you like, even if it's misleading or just plain wrong but God forbid anyone dares to question it - oh no. Then the bullies come out in force to circle the wagons.

Good for them!

Funnily enough, you see the same with homophobia and racism - far more prevalent in the older demographic.

Young people are open minded and can determine their own views. If you don’t like that OP, bad luck!

popehilarious I was going to post saying the same thing when I was three pages back! Just...don't even. Scroll on by. Hooves is clearly derailing as their point (?) has nothing to do with OP.

OC, we have to just let it go. Hooves does not care what is going on in schools. Hooves will not answer that point. This is classic derailment and we must just let it go.

On point, however, is that my two DD both within that demographic 16-34 know damn well what a woman is. One of them cannot admit this knowledge at work though, I fear.

Yes, that's what I should have done. But one surprise for me in this thread was that she appears to have no idea about what is going on in schools.

Yet you asked me several personal questions, which then prompts the accusations of merailing? So you weren't asking them in good faith then?

As for not knowing what's going on in schools - I see what you all claim on here but I have teachers in the family - when I report what's said on here they look at me like I've grown two heads. So, maybe it's happening in some schools but certainly not ones that anyone that I know of has first hand experience of.

Advanced search is always a useful tool when looking at a poster who spectacularly derails a thread. It's so often the same pattern

I real must learn to do this. I fell for it spectacularly, and often do.

I scroll past every post she makes. I'd encourage people to do likewise.

Yes, that's what I should have done. But one surprise for me in this thread was that she appears to have no idea about what is going on in schools.

The thing about puberty blockers, binders, surgery on the genitals, long term use of artificial hormones etc is that they have a negative impact of the health of the body.

I would add to this that they are also selling them snake oil.
No amount of cross sex hormones or surgery will actually make you the opposite sex.

Hooves does this on every thread. The first time I thought she had a point buried in there somewhere. Now the wilful derailing, "misunderstanding" and refusal to answer a key question that would put the argument to bed has convinced me she is not at all posting in good faith, has no interest in furthering the discussion past her own issues, and I scroll past every post she makes. I'd encourage people to do likewise.