Young women don't know what a woman is

I do wonder if a significant factor in all of this is that so many young people don't read books. They read facebook, twitter, instagram, maybe magazines and the books they have to read for GCSE / A levels. I wonder how many, even reasonably well educated young women have read any decent literature.

This is something I think about a lot. I work in a primary school in a literacy program, and I'm continually noticing how little the children who come to us read. Not only at home which might be expected with many kids with reading problems, but in the elementary school. Most of the reading they do is paragraphs and little stories meant to test comprehension, it's not good literature. Even when the teachers read a story, the choices seem to be low quality and have very little content. My supervisor who has been in the job for years says it's always a real problem when they are asking the children to contribute their thoughts and experiences - they seem to have so few frames of reference.

It doesn't seem much better with the older children, my daughter in grade 7 had one novel in English for the year, which the teacher read out loud to them. In grade 8 they read two books.

It's startling how little cultural capital these children have when I speak to them. My sense is that education in the UK is a little better, but I think the general trend is similar across English speaking countries.

I came across this article today, and thought this quote, in particular, was very pertinent.

“But there comes a time when you should put away childish things and think and speak and understand as an adult. When you come to understand that telling stories might be pleasant and entertaining, but happy endings are only for Disney movies and sitcoms.

The truth can hurt. It’s often unpleasant and harsh, and even a little gross.

It’s also a reminder of the great unimpressed indifference of the universe. The physical laws of nature don’t care much about what you wish or might want to be true. They just are.

thetyee.ca/Culture/2020/05/08/The-World-Is-A-Burning-Ring-of-Liars/

53% vs 62%

I think it shows that for many people, their views are not based on particularly robust or in-depth thinking. Most people understandably don't have the time for that. They parrot what they think is the appropriate response. People look at what others around them are saying, either explicitly or implicitly - friends, family, colleagues - and reflect that. It's not a particularly conscious decision.

Based on my personal observations, it seems trendy to be an 'intersectional feminist' especially among the younger crowd. Feminism is meant to be for everybody apparently. Mantras like TWAW are frequently seen on social media and there is evidence that social media affects young women a lot. So it's not surprising that they will initially agree with the arty farty definition of a woman being whoever feels like or identifies as one (how mystical!). All about being kind to everyone, it's about happy, nice feelings, we should be accepting of everyone. All fuzzy concepts that don't translate well in the real world but makes a person feel like they are so amazing and progressive for stating such things.

However, when you ask clear, detailed questions that force an individual to think about a situation in concrete terms - that's when rational thinking sets in. The fuzzy, kumbaya, let's all hold hands and say how much we love transwomen disappears. When young women are actually allowed to think through the implications, all of a sudden their profound love and acceptance for transwomen evaporates - a male with a penis in changing rooms? 62% said No thanks, Right Side of History.

This is exactly why the trans lobby have tried so hard to implement #NoDebate. Detailed discussion and debate is what allows most people to rationally and critically examine issues and decide whether they really agree with it or not. Hence why there is so much opposition to discussing these things in the public sphere, either online or on radio or TV etc. Because they know when that is allowed, they lose.

I think it’s because the survey respondents gave what they knew to be the [politically ] correct answer to the first question.

Whereas they actually though about the answer to the second question, the “ correct “ answer wasn’t so obvious.

to shove them in a poor woman

implant into a low socioeconomic gestator for a limited term contract, you mean. Please don’t use plain language, when obfuscating terms muddy the waters for everyone quite nicely, thank you .

I wonder how they will know, if they ever want children, which will be the set of people who will conceive, gestate, and give birth to those babies: the set of people who have penises, or the set of people who don't?

Don't be silly, no one will have their own babies in the future. You just buy all the bits and get a doctor to shove them in a poor woman who'll do the hard work of carrying the baby for you.

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To this question, a majority (53%) of women aged 16-34 agreed,
"Anyone who says they're a woman, regardless of their biology."

If biology is irrelevant, I wonder how they will know, if they ever want children, which will be the set of people who will conceive, gestate, and give birth to those babies: the set of people who have penises, or the set of people who don't?
And whether there is an actual name for this set of people? Or do we always have to describe them as "people with" or "people without" penises? Or maybe both sets of people can? Or maybe it doesn't matter? Maybe we just assign someone to do the job?

I do wonder if a significant factor in all of this is that so many young people don't read books. They read facebook, twitter, instagram, maybe magazines and the books they have to read for GCSE / A levels. I wonder how many, even reasonably well educated young women have read any decent literature.
Who we are is so heavily influenced by what we read and the people we mix with. These things have changed so much and so fast in recent years. My house is full of books, but even I don't read as much as I used to.
I read George Orwell at school. I don't think they do now.

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War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength

(George Orwell, 1984)

I would,love to know what collective noun they would use to describe the set of people with no penis who should be in the female changing rooms

They've been brainwashed by social media. Most of them will grow out of it.

"Give me the boy until he's seven and I'll give you the man."

Stonewall, Gendered Intelligence, Mermaids et al have all been ever so keen to get into schools and peddle their anti-scientific nonsense. These young women's doublethink is the result. Interesting that, when the real-world implication of TWAW is spelled out as meaning penises and their owners in the women's showers, self-preservation kicks in and overrides the indoctrination.

It's almost as if women's fear of rape isn't so easily erased.

The Original Post, OP, is interesting.

Asked the question:
"Which of these is closest to what you personally believe the word "woman" to mean?"

Two choices:

"An adult human female, with XX chromosomes and female genitalia"

or

"Anyone who says they're a woman, regardless of their biology."

To this question, a majority (53%) of women aged 16-34 agreed,
"Anyone who says they're a woman, regardless of their biology."

However, when the question is asked:
"So you think someone who identifies as a woman, but was born male, and still has male genitalia, should be allowed to use female changing rooms where women and girls are undressing/showering, even if those women object?"

Two choices:

"They should be allowed"

"They should not be allowed"

62% of the same demographic agreed that "They should not be allowed."

I find that interesting!

Hooves, do you have an opinion about the opening post? Because it would be really useful to hear it and we can all get back on track.

Yes anyone who disagrees with me me me is an evil bully.

Are we still taking about me, just so I know when to be offended?

Is this the point in the discussion when I say echo chamber ?

No, please do carry on. Just proving the point about bullying

What about me me me me me ?

Why aren’t we talking about me me me ?

Ok so now we are talking about me, that’s better .

How dare you talk about me, I’m mortally offended.

Jeez hooves. Always same with you. So,tiresome. Nothing fresh to say nothing I think yeah but but you might have a point.

Just nothing nothing that’s its

Inigo Montoya
Oh yes.

No one said they didn't want you to post. That's completely twisting things. Again. It's not about whether or not anyone posts, it's about derailing the discussion.

So let me just clarify - you don't want me to post and yet you continue to post having a pop at me? But if I respond then I'm in the wrong?
Yes, that sounds like completely non bullying behaviour.

There are a few people on this board who have a rather Inigo Montoya like quality to them.

Yes. Watching this happen again is hypnotising in a strange kind of way.