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charllejane · 05/05/2020 15:13

Hi all,

I'm a third year Industrial Designer studying at Loughborough University and will be heading into my final year in October.

For my final major project I'd like to design a product in the 'FemTech' space - a product designed for women for periods of their life cycle such as puberty, pregnancy, post-pregnancy and menopause.

I would love to hear any issues or problems you have struggled with that I could possibly develop a solution for, and gaining real insight from real women will be immensely helpful for me, as I myself haven't gone through all of these stages yet.

It could be absolutely anything, even if there is something already there but could be made better, more intuitive, more accessible or more convenient. For example, moving a product into the 'at home' space so that women can use it within their own time and at their own discretion. Or as another example, I've been exploring the condition endometriosis and the possibility of developing a discreet and portable product women can use to help alleviate pain.

Any advice would be really helpful! Thanks all.

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Bananabixfloof · 08/05/2020 23:09

And after all the previous suggestions could you work on useful pockets in womens clothes.
Ta and thank you.

PositiveVibez · 08/05/2020 22:31

If you can find something that tackles all the symptoms of endometriosis you'll be rich and famous. I'd concentrate on that

Hell yes. My niece started her period when she was 9 and has suffered terribly. She is 24 now and is facing the possibility of a hysterectomy as there is nothing they can help her to alleviate the horrific symptoms.

SnugglySnerd · 08/05/2020 19:46

Wrath I have recently seen menstrual cups in a shop but I cannot for the life of me remember which shop. Most likely either Sainsburys or Tescos. Our Sainsbury's is a massive one though with far more stock than some of the smaller ones.

This is an interesting thread. I don't have much to add and I don't know if this is the sort of thing you were interested in but I found it very hard to lift my babies in and out of their cot. Not when they were tiny and had the mattress on the highest setting but when they got big enough to fall put and we had to lower the mattress to the bottom. Of course this coincided with them also being heavier! Most annoying when they had fallen asleep on me during a night feed and I woke them up trying to lower them into the cot! Dh being taller and stronger didn't have this problem.

Spiffingly · 08/05/2020 19:34

So, I'd like a fit-bit sort of thing that could track my temperature with a view to really, properly track my menstrual cycle?
Especially now I am possibly in peri-menopause. Being able to look at my wrist, and see some display letting what my hormones are doing would help so much.

I could wonder why I am crying at a cat food advert, look down and see that I am at the 'high levels of this, plummeting that' and that's why I am crying. Or maybe even stop the endless sugar consumption because I can see it's just hormone X doing me dirty and I don't need the sugar.
Women are mugged of with 'its just hormones' from all sides, but they rule our lives for many, many years.

OverZoomed · 08/05/2020 17:27

Yes to colostrum harvesting - it needs three hands and a tiny syringe and is fiddly and hard to do when exhausted post birth. And you’re usually doing it because the baby is unwell, so it’s also stressful and high stakes. Something that did it for you would be amazing.

WrathofFaeKIopp · 06/05/2020 15:48

nahnonever
That is one of the many problems that are quite difficult to resolve.
As in awkward to share, I mean.

nahnonever · 06/05/2020 14:43

I was thinking the other day (before I ordered 6 pairs of Period pants!) that sanitary towels just aren't long enough. I am nearly 6 foot and I think that's my issue. I leak without fail every night. Even with the longest I can find

WrathofFaeKIopp · 06/05/2020 14:05

Z0rr0
I didn't seem to get the cramps either, it all felt a bit cleaner too. It took me a couple of months to get the hang of it though.
Those days have past nowSmile

OvaHere
I always assumed car seat position is down to height but today I have realised it might be that a lean back seating position is better for men's posture, not womens.

I have only ever seen women use those office chairs that make you sit upright in a kneeling position. Men don't seem to have the need to be so upright.

SunlightBlazing · 06/05/2020 12:32

Another one that I noticed when i was living in Paris was that the rails & straps for holding on when standing in the metro were always too high - suited most men, but very hard for women to use !

OvaHere · 06/05/2020 12:32

Thats very true Wrath. My DH has the car seat so reclined I wonder if he's practically comatose at the wheel! Grin

I'm guessing it's mostly about accommodating long arms and legs for the optimum driving position. Like you I'm straight up, seat pulled in close to the wheel.

Z0rr0 · 06/05/2020 12:27

@WrathofFaeKIopp I've just started trying a menstrual cup for the first time. It takes a bit of getting used to, but it is wonderful not having to fiddle with pads and tampons. But what's been more surprising is I haven't had any cramps which would normally be quite bad on my heaviest days. Is that a thing?

ByGrabtharsHammerWhatASavings · 06/05/2020 11:59

Glad my post was useful OP :) Please come back and let us know what you decide to work on and how your male colleagues treat your project.

WrathofFaeKIopp · 06/05/2020 11:43

With my last post in mind..
Men tend to have their car seat tilted right back, is this to support their lower back?

And women like to sit up, with the seat forward, maybe not just for height difference but for better back support? ie sitting upright, like riding a horse. It allows the bladder to naturally sit forward.

Might be the same with office chairs.
Men sit back, women sit forward.
Just a thought.

WrathofFaeKIopp · 06/05/2020 11:29

Whole woman website run by Christine Kent has some insights how female posture can help bladder weakness.
www.wholewoman.com

She explains about the natural curve in the lower back of females helps to 'kink' the urethra and holds the bladder in its natural place, ie belly out, slightly forward. You can observe this in young females, it is a natural posture for them.
Whereas we are generally told to tuck our bottoms in and hold our tummy in for 'good' posture. This straightens the urethra and can cause bladder leakage as we age.

OTH males young and old tend to have a ramrod straight lower back with less curve.

charllejane · 06/05/2020 11:17

@OvaHere I haven't, another I must read! Thank you for that, very helpful Smile

@WrathofFaeKIopp You're absolutely right, every aspect of our lives are derived from the anthropocentric data of men and it is absolutely accepted as a norm and overlooked, even now in 2020!

I agree completely about women discussing their issues more openly in the absence of a man. I think men really struggle to empathise and ignore the extent of female problems. It certainty will be interesting when I return to University to see if my (very male dominated) lecturers see the value in these ideas.

I'm currently on my placement year and I feel very lucky that the design consultancy I work for has a female CEO (this is super rare in the design industry) and we also have many female employees across other sectors like engineering, human factors, as well as design. It makes it much easier to make decision making more balanced!

@TooMinty
That's shocking! Sorry to hear about your experience, it must feel very confusing to be in that situation. I'm sure you're right though, everything is tested on men - it really is an under addressed topic.

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TooMinty · 06/05/2020 11:01

Invisible Women is great. I am 5ft tall so I really notice the problem of things being designed for the average male body as I am considerably smaller. I had general anaesthetic for the birth of my first child and it took me two days to properly come round. I'm sure this is because dosages are designed and tested on men. My similar sized friend had the same issue after day surgery. Everyone else got sent home a couple of hours later, she had to be kept in overnight as she couldn't stand up without fainting.

WrathofFaeKIopp · 06/05/2020 10:59

I would like to add that women are more comfortable discussing their issues when they are amongst other women.

The presence of a man can completely change the course of the conversation.
This aspect would be very relevant in the decision making process of design teams.

Women can be so self conscious.

WrathofFaeKIopp · 06/05/2020 10:44

charllejane
Definitely agree with the need to talk to the users.
Human-centric design often overlooks the female 51% and this is often accepted as the norm in spite of a greater need in many cases. Public toilets is one that springs to mind.

OvaHere · 06/05/2020 10:41

@charllejane

Have you read Invisible Women? It's an excellent book that might also give some ideas.

www.penguin.co.uk/books/111/1113605/invisible-women/9781784706289.html

charllejane · 06/05/2020 10:35

@Reginabambina

An app to help schedule PMS is a great idea, although its a fairly saturated area I also struggle to use the current tracker apps out their. I always become so forgetful. I think that's a great idea to include about cognitive function. Peoples feelings are so turbulent so this could be great from a wellness and mindfulness angle. Thanks for your insight!

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WrathofFaeKIopp · 06/05/2020 10:32

A Mooncup changed my life. At the time I thought it would fly off the shelves and give tampons a run for the money, but no, they're not even in the shops.

I have never seen a menstrual cup in a high street shop or supermarket.

And we all know why.

charllejane · 06/05/2020 10:32

@WrathofFaeKIopp

Thank you so much for your comment, I have to say, it's made my morning.

I'm a firm believer in human-centric design, and to do that effectively you have to talk to your users. I guess there's only a certain level of empathy when you haven't experienced those milestones yourself!

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Reginabambina · 06/05/2020 10:16

YY to crappy sanitary towels. Libra in Australia used to have really good ones. They were thick, absorbed blood properly without the disgusting top layer you see on so many pads, they rarely became dislodged. Then for sone reason they switched to the rubbish body form ones.

Something to help with PMS (or even scheduling yourself around PMS) would help. I am hopeless in the week before my period. It’s like my brain shuts off. If there was an app that could be used to easily track my PMS (have tried period tracking apps but they don’t work for me). Something with daily prompts to report/evaluate cognitive function as well a a regular reminder of when my next PMS week was supposed to happen so I was aware.

charllejane · 06/05/2020 10:01

Wow. I'm totally overwhelmed by everyone's comments. I wasn't expecting so much feedback so quickly and all of this is immensely helpful. There are some very real problems here than all need addressing and solving.

Firstly, I'm so glad some of you are on board with the product that could help alleviate pain for women with endometriosis. Although it's a condition that has recently gained a little more attention, very few people are aware of it. A friend of mine wasn't diagnosed for several years, all that time in unbearable pain and she sacrificed many social interactions because she only felt at comfort in bed. I'm so glad some of you see the value in me exploring this project.

@stillathing I absolutely agree about at home smear tests. Current procedures are especially invasive for people who have survived sexual assault, but also a shocking amount of women don't attend their cervical screening examinations due to embarrassment and convenience. I also believe that smear tests don't really consider people who are transitioning from f-m, where their hormones make the process a lot more distressing for the individual. Great idea!

@TooMinty I haven't read this but I have been told to, it's a must! Thanks for sharing, I'll have to buy it Smile

Wow ladies, who knew seat belts were such an issue! I have to admit, even though I know the anthropocentric data is sourced from men, I never realised the issues it could cause for women (especially pregnant women). This is some great insight, and although its not a 'tech' project, this is absolutely something I could look at in my own time. @FireUnderTheHand @OvaHere @ByGrabtharsHammerWhatASavings

@RoxytheRexy You're absolutely right and given the current crisis you'd have hoped it would've been addressed. I would love to know more about this though and all the ins-and-outs of different ways the PPE is less suitable for women. I really think this is something that needs attention!

@ByGrabtharsHammerWhatASavings Totally overwhelmed (in the best way) by your post. I struggle with the same issues with sanitary towels, which makes me more prone to leaking too!

But, your insight about colostrum is absolutely fantastic. I can't describe it any other way! I had not really heard about colostrum before this and wasn't entirely sure what it was, but this is absolutely a problem that needs addressing. I can't imagine how difficult it would be after a painful and possibly lengthy childbirth to have to have such discomfort from trying to express and collect colostrum! This is also a great example for a product that fits into the FemTech space, and its something that could help a lot of women in the future.

Have any other ladies had experienced as above? I would love to know yo experience of attempting to express and collect colostrum.

(Who thought i'd be writing that here Grin)

@ByGrabtharsHammerWhatASavings I also think this insight about women's rights is great, and certainly needs to be addressed. I don't think I had ever even heard the phrase 'second induction', no wonder women aren't aware of their choices. I think this could be a great service for women. Thank you!

Thank you all again so much! This is very insightful and there are many real issues here that need addressing. I would love to know more, so if you think of anything else don't hesitate to let me know! Grin

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WrathofFaeKIopp · 06/05/2020 09:59

as I myself haven't gone through all of these stages yet
That line jumped out at me.
What a thoughtful person you must be charllejane

None of us realise how challenging our female milestones are going to be.

So many of us believe it won't be so bad for us and we will be better than our mothers and grandmothers... until we become them, and only then, our eyes are opened.
Sad really.

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