Stewart Lee (again) takes on the Wokefinder General

I’m amused by the people saying “he’s better live” - as if those of us who find him a bit hmm are going to fork out £60 to see him in person.grin

Ha, last time I watched one of his stand up specials about half the show was him setting up that his jokes weren't going to be funny, and if a friend had brought you along, you weren't going to get it.

I like Lee but hate that he spends so much time and energy shitting on other comedians. I mean, yes people like Michael McIntyre are unfunny, but it makes him look so so bitter.

paul embury! (and hes hot 😀. but a brexiter!)

I'm glad it wasn't me who had little to no idea what Lee is on about.

...have never given women's issues a thought in their lives- I think it's such an interesting weakness in otherwise intelligent (presumably) creative left wing men

Can someone please name some prominent left wing men that have genuinely championed women's issues because I'm struggling

Even better championed issues impacting ordinary working class women, because I'm struggling to come up with any names. Other than a vague memory that Ed Milliband was inoffensive to women.

I'm a socialist feminist at heart but by now have an instructive mistrust of left wing men

If Frankie actually thought TWAW he would be a lot less considerate towards them.

God, yes.

I’m amused by the people saying “he’s better live” - as if those of us who find him a bit are going to fork out £60 to see him in person.

I said the following on the last SL thread... He did a similar routine about Only Fools and Horses years ago, which was equally tortuous. The funniest thing was at the end when he actually showed the clip of Del Boy falling through the bar. It was the only LOL moment.

Who is this cunt?

Its more acceptable to make edgy jokes about cancer or child abuse than show a man cry with grief.

In that sense Gervais is a lot braver than any of those attacking him, which is likely not unconnected to his willingness to take on the trans topic.

@Saucery

Even if you didn't like After Life, there just isn't anything like it to compare it to. You can't say 'it doesn't stand up against X' because no one has dared tackle the subject of grief and anger in such an raw, unsanitised way.

Its more acceptable to make edgy jokes about cancer or child abuse than show a man cry with grief.

*If Frankie actually thought TWAW he would be a lot less considerate towards them.

So very true! Actually I wonder if Frankie would enter into a romantic relationship with a TW, or whether he's like that guy on Twitter who infamously posted that he thought trans women were women, "except for relationship purposes".

aw stewart dont listen to them!

Stand up and writing aren't the kind of skills where you can assume that if someone is good at one they'll be good at the other too.

I don't think Stewart Lee's humour comes across as well in print as it does in a live show.I don't think Stewart Lee's humour comes across as well in print as it does in a live show.

Completely agree. I like SL very much but even knowing the joke I don't think he's very funny in print.

If Frankie actually thought TWAW he would be a lot less considerate towards them.

I agree with the PP who said that Lee's routines work much better on the stage than on the page. I've seen him live a few times and he's been hilarious, but the columns are really turgid. The humour just doesn't work. He does seem to have this ongoing schtick about hating Gervais (he has even claimed that Gervais stole his ideas) but while that's funny in a stand-up routine it just makes him look bitter when it's in a column.

Frankie Boyle is a complete coward.

He also hates women.

frankie boyle, stewart lee, billy bragg probably have never given womens issues a thought in their lives- i think its such an interesting weakness in otherwise intelligent (presumably) creative left wing men.

I always find Ricky Gervais a bit hit and miss whereas Stewart Lee is definitely miss and miss. I often hear that the bitter, twisted thing is all part of his humour - maybe that is true but it really isn't funny and he keeps banging on with it.

I agree. But it's clear he doesn't like women very much and he'd rather court the woke crowd. It's quite pathetic.

Frankie's refusal to cross that line is so cowardly. I don't for a single second believe that he actually thinks TWAW.

He doesn’t like Gervais and Gervais probably doesn’t like him. I think some of his criticism of After Life 2 is valid. But they both share that type of brinkmanship, how-far-can-you-go, test-what-your-audience-is prepared-to-laugh-at, hand-grenade humour. It’s just that Stewart (like Frankie Boyle) can’t bring themselves to cross a line marked in the sand that allows them to deploy their humour on anyone who chooses to identify as the sex opposite to the one they were born.

The ONLY thing I can think that stops them from penetrating this invisible force-field is that Stewart and Frankie have tween/teenage children who are probably steeped in the milieu (Stewart would like me using that poncey word in a 6th form way rather like him quoting English war poets in his column ) of identity politics - their hands are tied. Gervais on the other hand is childless so doesn’t have any kids to moan or be upset about him picking on their beliefs and/or their trans/non- binary school mates.

Aww, he’s really stung at the way he’s ended up in a woke comedy backwater, isn’t he?
Bet he had his eye on the Pat Postman part

I don't think Stewart Lee's humour comes across as well in print as it does in a live show. It's a bit of an in joke - if you know how he usually does things the column makes sense. If you didn't, you'd just be confused.