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Trans Widows' Escape Committee 4 - A New Hope

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TinselAngel · 03/05/2020 12:23

Who would have thought we'd make it to thread 4?

Let's have some mutual pats on the back for the amazing support women on these threads have given to other trans widows, and the accidental consciousness raising that has come about as a result of this community.

This is a support area for women who are, or have been, in unhappy relationships with male partners who are transitioning, or exploring their "gender identity"

If you are in that position-

  1. You are not alone
  2. It is not a situation that you should be expected to tolerate, let alone celebrate.
  3. There is always a way out, if you want it. The thread is called Escape Committee for that reason

Remember: women talking to each other is a powerful weapon!

We now have a website which has been very well recived, and if any women who have contributed to these threads would like to write their story for inclusion on the website that would be wonderful.

Do post to get the new thread going. Links to the website and previous threads will follow.

As ever our thoughts are with the women still stuck in these relationships- check in, we do worry about you.

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Boujie123 · 10/02/2021 13:24

@Justtryingtobehelpful interesting article - isn't it incredible that it's over 20 years old. Thanks so much for sharing. I wonder if many women feel able to speak to their GP honestly about this issue yet. I was signed off work for 2 months with 'generalised anxiety' as I just couldn't bring myself to be honest with the doctor about what was causing me the stress. The shame of association and not wanting reference to the specifics in MY medical record. This stigma means that women may not be getting the help and support they need, which would be readily available for other traumas. Imagine surviving trauma and not being able to talk to anyone about it, or get specialist help or support; attempting to bury it but it never leaves you because it's your husband or the father of your children.No wonder the women in the article became so ill. Nobody knows my (ex) husband's secret except me. He doesn't care what I think or feel, nor understands the need for discretion. I live in terror that he will turn up at the house one day to collect our son dressed like a grotesque drag queen, leaving me to deal with the aftermath.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 10/02/2021 12:45

Would an upfront reply along the lines of 'thank you for the toys, I have put them aside for when you are able to give them to the DCs yourself. On that score, have you thought about when you will next see the DCs and how this might be best brokered so as to not cause them upset?' work?

That way, you are clear that you are encouraging access, not mentioning his status and also making it clear that any access will be mediated for the benefit of the children.

Your situation does seem to be more like than unlike other divorces/separations with toxic men.

Justtryingtobehelpful · 10/02/2021 11:25

Read this and thought you all might appreciate it...
www.gender.org.uk/conf/1998/diana.htm

I'm a lurker but my heart goes out to you all!

TinselAngel · 09/02/2021 22:46

@TieYourCannons

I could hand them over but without saying who they're from...but I don't know if that's right either...years later kids might say 'you never told us daddy sent these'...
Like I say, my advice is from a place of what is the least likely to be able to be used against you, in my view. But often that's not the option that causes the least upset in the short term.

You could get legal advice as to what to do?

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TieYourCannons · 09/02/2021 22:24

I could hand them over but without saying who they're from...but I don't know if that's right either...years later kids might say 'you never told us daddy sent these'...

TinselAngel · 09/02/2021 21:37

That's just it though @TinselAngel, I'm not happy to do this. He should either make proper contact or leave them alone.

Up to you of course, I only suggest it in case he uses you not handing them over, to attempt to prove you're preventing contact.

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TieYourCannons · 09/02/2021 20:39

That's just it though @TinselAngel, I'm not happy to do this. He should either make proper contact or leave them alone.

I'm not sure what to do with the toys he's already sent. If I say they're from him, the kids will go from elation to questioning to weeping. Same if there was a letter. What I'm trying to say is, no matter what I do I will hurt my kids. He is making me hurt them and making me feel controlled.

@QuinnMovesOn He doesn't work, so whatever he could afford would be so negligible as to make it not worth the stress of interacting with him.

QuinnMovesOn · 09/02/2021 20:08

@TieYourCannons, I'm sorry you're in a painful situation. Do you have a solicitor or court order yet? This may be something that this can address, no anonymous contact. Also, your ex avoiding contact with the children shouldn't mean they have no obligation for child maintenance/support. Even if you have a good livelihood, odds are good that you would be due something under a court order as the primary custody parent.

TinselAngel · 09/02/2021 18:49

@TieYourCannons

Hello everyone. Feeling really weary and defeated today. Random toys have started turning up in the post. No letter, no message. I know they're from him. I don't want to allow myself to be used as a vehicle to hurt my children. Why should I have to deal with the questions: where is daddy, why did he send this, will we see him, can we speak to him, etc. Not to mention how utterly disrespectful it is to me, their only carer, to not engage with me at all, just send random items to my address and expect me to deal with the emotional fallout on my own. If I don't pass them on, I'll potentially be cast as the bad guy later on down the line. If I give them, I have to do something that's against my better judgment as it will hurt them.

I've also found out he's living a very promiscuous lifestyle (or trying to, lol) further confirming what we all know which is that it's all about sexual gratification and nothing else. That's more important than his family, than work, than stable relationships. Let's all celebrate their bravery for giving in to every sexual impulse they ever dreamed of in their depraved little porn obsessed minds, and throwing their kids under the bus in the process.

Should I give the toys without saying who they came from?

(Sorry I haven't said much on here lately. Been gathering strength. Big hugs to all).

Assuming you are able to contact him, I'd be inclined to say that you're happy to pass gifts on but they must include a note so the kids (and you) know who they are from.
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TieYourCannons · 09/02/2021 15:47

Hello everyone. Feeling really weary and defeated today. Random toys have started turning up in the post. No letter, no message. I know they're from him. I don't want to allow myself to be used as a vehicle to hurt my children. Why should I have to deal with the questions: where is daddy, why did he send this, will we see him, can we speak to him, etc. Not to mention how utterly disrespectful it is to me, their only carer, to not engage with me at all, just send random items to my address and expect me to deal with the emotional fallout on my own. If I don't pass them on, I'll potentially be cast as the bad guy later on down the line. If I give them, I have to do something that's against my better judgment as it will hurt them.

I've also found out he's living a very promiscuous lifestyle (or trying to, lol) further confirming what we all know which is that it's all about sexual gratification and nothing else. That's more important than his family, than work, than stable relationships. Let's all celebrate their bravery for giving in to every sexual impulse they ever dreamed of in their depraved little porn obsessed minds, and throwing their kids under the bus in the process.

Should I give the toys without saying who they came from?

(Sorry I haven't said much on here lately. Been gathering strength. Big hugs to all).

KickingBishopBrennanUpTheArrse · 09/02/2021 14:16

Yes Reddit is a bad place for gender critical women or anyone who doesn't 100% accept TRAs harmful gender ideology and the silencing of women.

Regarding that interview and their lack of a sex life "We are working through it" ie - I haven't coerced her into doing things she doesn't want to yet

TinselAngel · 08/02/2021 23:04

I think we'd be well advised to tell trans widows to ignore Reddit altogether, particularly now r/gendercritical is no more.

I have r/transwidows but I've never done anything with it.

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Kettlingur · 08/02/2021 22:44

@themiserychick

When he first came out as trans, I was directed to the subreddit called mypartneristrans which is full of super supportive partners who are oh so happy that their (usually) male partner can now be their authentic self. From what I've seen the people who stay are often either young and woke, or quite old and not wanting to go through a breakup because they've been together for so long. There's rarely young children involved in these relationships. I'm guessing that's where the 50% comes from. But I would be sceptical of the actual quality of these relationships, especially after a few years.
r/mypartneristrans timeline:
  • my husband is questioning his gender
  • my husband is now my wife! Yay! We can go shopping together! She looks fabulous in my dresses!
  • my trans wife is spending a lot of money and not around much, what do?
  • my trans wife left me for a bloke
themiserychick · 08/02/2021 20:11

When he first came out as trans, I was directed to the subreddit called mypartneristrans which is full of super supportive partners who are oh so happy that their (usually) male partner can now be their authentic self. From what I've seen the people who stay are often either young and woke, or quite old and not wanting to go through a breakup because they've been together for so long. There's rarely young children involved in these relationships. I'm guessing that's where the 50% comes from. But I would be sceptical of the actual quality of these relationships, especially after a few years.

TinselAngel · 08/02/2021 19:41

@SouthernTW

Yes, likely. A rather unsuccessful attempt, if you ask me. It just makes him look more freakish.

I saw that interview and was appalled by it. Today's world leaves me befuddled. It is amazing to me that in my lifetime we have come to the point where men can even use fake female status as a means of oppression.

What also struck me about the interview is how his transition was framed not just as doing something for himself, but as some kind of public service to pave the way for others.
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socialworker222 · 08/02/2021 14:37

They often have a life time practice of lying and concealing. Yes, we forget this, and certainly I felt idiotic for not having seen 'clues' or signs.. and I felt selfconscious that other people would think I must have known. When despite my professional background and apparently quite close marriage, I had no idea at all. We approach marriage in good faith, believing what we are told and what we see, and often as women, focussing on supporting and caring for others and particularly our children. It's not surprising we are duped.
The Twitter video is very typical; it has 'me me me' written all over it, and the usual heavily-groomed appearance which fools no'one.
Welcome Boujie I'm glad you can see the 'support' networks' flaws; the notion that acceptance, even celebration, is and should be the norm, is misleading and dishonest and piles further pressure on women already in a vulnerable position. Congratulations on breaking free.
No'one seems to have found decent data on how many relationships survive transition but anecdotally it's thought to be 50%; would be good to know after five years how many partnerships are still intact. Even if it is 50%, the mainstream narrative that the norm is staying, and the enormously-weighted media bias representing only those relationships, means that coverage is woefully inadequate and unrepresentative.

KickingBishopBrennanUpTheArrse · 08/02/2021 14:16

Talking about brainwashing groups or support, the ones for children of Trans identified male parents are dreadful. Persuading kids that their brave and stunning parent is a butterfly who has emerged from a chrysalis and is better than ever before. Lucky you, a new Mummy!

Meanwhile these men refuse to be called Daddy, rewrite history to make it seem as if the actual mother knew the situation all along and was completely happy being impregnated by their lady penis and female gender identified spermatozoa aka non binary gametes.

SouthernTW · 08/02/2021 03:15

Yes, likely. A rather unsuccessful attempt, if you ask me. It just makes him look more freakish.

I saw that interview and was appalled by it. Today's world leaves me befuddled. It is amazing to me that in my lifetime we have come to the point where men can even use fake female status as a means of oppression.

TinselAngel · 07/02/2021 23:55

@SouthernTW

Welcome *@Boujie123*. I am glad you found us although sad you have to join our company.

My husband picked up our son just a little while ago for the evening once every other week he spends with him. He looks dreadful. His weight is dropping alarmingly fast, he's stooped over. But I noticed lots of hair missing from his face and arms and perfectly shaped brows. My first thought was how many lessons for the kids the cost of all that would have equaled. He just repulses me.

The weight loss and stooping are probably attempts to make him look smaller and thinner and ergo more "female"?
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SouthernTW · 07/02/2021 23:31

Welcome @Boujie123. I am glad you found us although sad you have to join our company.

My husband picked up our son just a little while ago for the evening once every other week he spends with him. He looks dreadful. His weight is dropping alarmingly fast, he's stooped over. But I noticed lots of hair missing from his face and arms and perfectly shaped brows. My first thought was how many lessons for the kids the cost of all that would have equaled. He just repulses me.

TinselAngel · 07/02/2021 19:40

Aside from everything else- he's changed his surname as well so he no longer (presumably) has the same surname as his wife and child.

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QuinnMovesOn · 07/02/2021 19:06

@TinselAngel Also, that Tyler Reks interview... that was utterly appalling. The wife just sits there, is never asked any questions, never says a word. She's just an ornament to yet another narcissist.

QuinnMovesOn · 07/02/2021 19:00

@Boujie123, glad to hear you're moving forward in your life. If you aren't already doing so, please consider seeing a therapist. I think it can help, even after you've made the major step of leaving the relationship. Something that my counselor has said to me repeatedly, to the point where I think it's finally starting to sink in: "You made the best choice you could at the time with the info you had." I've also felt terrible guilt over choosing this person to marry and have children with. I'm trying not to fault myself for making decisions based on the data I had.

It doesn't help that these AGP men are often expert liars and manipulators.

TinselAngel · 07/02/2021 16:17

In other news- do all keep posting as I've just decided the title for thread 5 and it's a cracker (if you're a sad geek like me).

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TinselAngel · 07/02/2021 16:12

Hi Boujie123, welcome on board and I'm glad you've found us.

Please don't feel bad about being duped by your ex. They often have a life time practice of lying and concealing.

You are right that raising awareness is essential to prevent more women being affected. Have you seen the Trans Widows Voices website? This is one of the things that I hope sharing women's stories will achieve.

When you feel up to it I would be really interested to hear about the support (brainwashing) groups you mention. Eg who runs them and what they involve.

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