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Trans Widows' Escape Committee 4 - A New Hope

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TinselAngel · 03/05/2020 12:23

Who would have thought we'd make it to thread 4?

Let's have some mutual pats on the back for the amazing support women on these threads have given to other trans widows, and the accidental consciousness raising that has come about as a result of this community.

This is a support area for women who are, or have been, in unhappy relationships with male partners who are transitioning, or exploring their "gender identity"

If you are in that position-

  1. You are not alone
  2. It is not a situation that you should be expected to tolerate, let alone celebrate.
  3. There is always a way out, if you want it. The thread is called Escape Committee for that reason

Remember: women talking to each other is a powerful weapon!

We now have a website which has been very well recived, and if any women who have contributed to these threads would like to write their story for inclusion on the website that would be wonderful.

Do post to get the new thread going. Links to the website and previous threads will follow.

As ever our thoughts are with the women still stuck in these relationships- check in, we do worry about you.

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MOLLYJO987 · 02/06/2020 20:29

@socialworker222 My ex never once showed any signs of having gender dysphoria, but he was a complete narcissistic pathological liar so maybe he hid it well.
He got very turned on by wearing female items. He would insist that his cross dressing started out as sexual but turned into some thing else.

MOLLYJO987 · 02/06/2020 20:17

@Pinkbanana2020
I usually just lurk but my ex said the same thing about it being a hobby. I have never heard anyone else say that. He went from being "just a cross dresser" to now legally changing his name and taking estrogen and T blockers and presenting as a woman full time.

I knew some thing was off in our marriage. Our sex life was quite strange. He shows all the traits of an AGP, but I think usually they are attracted to women. I'm quite convinced now that he is only attracted to men or only attracted to himself. He has so much in common with gay men in the closet.

I used to ask him repeatedly if he was gay or trans and he constantly denied it. He is now engaged to a woman who I believe was born female.

His obsession with it kept growing over time and he started pushing barriers that we had agreed on.
Its been 4 years but I still have memories pop up and realize he was lying about yet another thing. His gas lighting was multilayered.

TinselAngel · 02/06/2020 15:26

Thanks all. And thanks to Mumsnet for their ongoing support of trans widows, which I'm sure they take some flak for, behind the scenes.

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Datun · 02/06/2020 11:57

This is an invaluable thread. And not just because of how informative it is.

The experience of the women is quite evidently searingly genuine. But what's equally obvious is that the decision to post, for many women, takes time and courage.

It's not a thread where the premise is debated or mulled over, as in other threads. These women are on the coalface. And it's their unique experience from which we all learn.

It's also one of those threads which engenders empathy and solidarity across-the-board.

Tinsel is a phenomenal woman, who is greatly admired here, and I know she goes to significant lengths to make sure people are comfortable posting.

So any lurking transwidows, don't be put off by thinking your experiences will be met with anything other than support and understanding.

R0wantrees · 02/06/2020 11:46

Leaving is already hard, leaving in the middle of a pandemic is exponentially harder.

thread with resources:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3452784-Coercive-Control-a-need-for-better-awareness

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 02/06/2020 11:45

(Will now return to my previous "this is not my space so I'm being quiet but am available for providing tea, biscuits, and emotional support as needed" role.)

R0wantrees · 02/06/2020 11:43

New trans widow posters from the last few days, please don't be put off by the deleted posts, this is a friendly and supportive space

The thread is supported by many women who, whilst they are not 'transwidows', have also had cause to recognise and understand abuse dynamics/coercive control etc. It is supported by all of those who have read with empathy & respect for such an important conscious raising space.
Solidarity & Flowers

Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/06/2020 11:41

Definitely, kittens.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 02/06/2020 11:37

Tinsel especially is a voice of reason and respect on here and is incredibly welcoming

She really is. Once all this is done and dusted and any legal changes that are going to happen have happened she'll be one of the people who made a real difference.

CaraDune · 02/06/2020 11:35

That makes perfect sense, Tinsel.

Everything is harder - not just the psychological problems for the trans widow herself, but all sorts of practical issues. Sorting a new house during social distancing. Keeping things stable for the children when they're fragile because they're separated from their friends, and also need a stable environment for home schooling (all sorts of practical matters like the internet, etc). Keeping shopping deliveries going if you move house. What happens if there's only one family car which you were relying on for the weekly supermarket shop.

Lockdown makes everything about leaving harder - each individual thing noticeably so, cumulatively, the impact is immense.

TinselAngel · 02/06/2020 11:32

Arranging anything is like wading through treacle at the moment- add to that kids being at home, husband being at home, probably less money coming in, difficulty viewing houses, can't go to the bank etc, etc, etc.

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RufustheLanglovingreindeer · 02/06/2020 11:31

@TheProdigalKittensReturn

I'm not a transwidow so I generally try to step back and let this thread serve its intended purpose of transwidows supporting each other. That being said, I think it's fairly obvious that not having to look at things from the perspective of men with AGP like Grayson Perry is a big part of the reason for these threads to exist.

I'm glad to see new transwidows finding this thread and hope they can find the support they need here, but endlessly appalled by how similar their experiences always are and how little space those experiences are given in the public discourse. This is a women's rights issue.

Sorry, i know the thread is moving on but as a lurker I've always seen these threads as supportive and a safe place for transwidows to say things they cant say in real life

Tinsel especially is a voice of reason and respect on here and is incredibly welcoming 💐

I’ll go back to lurking

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 02/06/2020 11:28

It definitely makes sense. Leaving is already hard, leaving in the middle of a pandemic is exponentially harder.

TinselAngel · 02/06/2020 11:26

I think whilst lockdown doesn't technically prevent women fleeing abusive situations, it's one more obstacle for women in the way of leaving a situation that is already difficult to leave (if that makes sense).

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TheProdigalKittensReturn · 02/06/2020 11:24

Re Tyro's getting out comment, Priti Patel did indeed confirm that lockdown doesn't mean that people aren't allowed to flee abusive situations.

TyroSaysMeow · 02/06/2020 11:21

I think a lot of people find this an interesting thread to read.

It's a support thread though - which means it's not the place for people who aren't personally affected to be playing devil's advocate.

Anyway, moving on.

So far as I know, lockdown rules in the UK do permit us to get the hell out of there if we're in an abusive situation. Although making a permanent escape is obviously going to be a lot harder at the moment.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 02/06/2020 11:19

I'm not a transwidow so I generally try to step back and let this thread serve its intended purpose of transwidows supporting each other. That being said, I think it's fairly obvious that not having to look at things from the perspective of men with AGP like Grayson Perry is a big part of the reason for these threads to exist.

I'm glad to see new transwidows finding this thread and hope they can find the support they need here, but endlessly appalled by how similar their experiences always are and how little space those experiences are given in the public discourse. This is a women's rights issue.

Justhadathought · 02/06/2020 09:54

New trans widow posters from the last few days, please don't be put off by the deleted posts, this is a friendly and supportive space

Yes, but also a public place. You seem to have it in your head that I'm a troll because I see some things differently from yourself ( on a couple of other threads), and as a result many of your posts have been, themselves, really very unfriendly indeed. Insinuations, outright hostility.Not sure why my post was deleted?

Anyway, I have never posted on here before...even if i find it interesting to read. And I'll not again.

TinselAngel · 01/06/2020 23:23

New trans widow posters from the last few days, please don't be put off by the deleted posts, this is a friendly and supportive space ThanksWineBrew

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Justhadathought · 01/06/2020 22:19

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TyroSaysMeow · 01/06/2020 22:14

Grammar discussions, Just. It can be taken up on a new thread if you want to talk about it further; this one isn't really the place for it.

TinselAngel · 01/06/2020 22:12

Discussions such as which?

The ones about use of the term "trans widow" or the one word or two words question. They're invariably raised by disruptive ploppers.

Apologies, I've fallen into the trap, I shouldn't have referred to the deleted post. Blush

Let's move on Smile

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TinselAngel · 01/06/2020 22:09

Maureen, I think one of the most annoying things is that appearing to go along with anything is never enough, evidence always seems to be required that the ideology is also believed.

It's an awful time to be going through what you are going through, but this lockdown etc will pass Thanks

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Justhadathought · 01/06/2020 22:08

Discussions such as which?

TinselAngel · 01/06/2020 22:03

I believe discussions such as this are started as a distraction technique.

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