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Trans Widows' Escape Committee 4 - A New Hope

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TinselAngel · 03/05/2020 12:23

Who would have thought we'd make it to thread 4?

Let's have some mutual pats on the back for the amazing support women on these threads have given to other trans widows, and the accidental consciousness raising that has come about as a result of this community.

This is a support area for women who are, or have been, in unhappy relationships with male partners who are transitioning, or exploring their "gender identity"

If you are in that position-

  1. You are not alone
  2. It is not a situation that you should be expected to tolerate, let alone celebrate.
  3. There is always a way out, if you want it. The thread is called Escape Committee for that reason

Remember: women talking to each other is a powerful weapon!

We now have a website which has been very well recived, and if any women who have contributed to these threads would like to write their story for inclusion on the website that would be wonderful.

Do post to get the new thread going. Links to the website and previous threads will follow.

As ever our thoughts are with the women still stuck in these relationships- check in, we do worry about you.

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TinselAngel · 04/07/2020 12:11

Good for you x

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Iworkmiricles · 04/07/2020 07:37

@TinselAngel we live off my income, so I don't see why I should leave! Also, because of the law, I would still be liable to pay the mortgage. The process is started to get him off it. I'm just getting on with stuff. If he wants to to sit in limbo, that's up to him, but I don't intend to any longer,

TinselAngel · 03/07/2020 23:55

Iworkmiricles remind me, can you take control and either get them to leave, or leave yourself?

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TinselAngel · 03/07/2020 23:53

Rett people are so desperate so not think of themselves as bigoted that the only concession they can make often is "Oh I can understand you feel like that given your experience".

I find people who consider themselves part of the LGBT+ "community" are particularly prone to this.

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TinselAngel · 03/07/2020 23:48

With regards to writing stuff down making it feel weird, Eastcoast I remember finding talking to people about it being similar.

I remember telling my best friends about stuff, towards the end of my marriage and seeing them gradually becoming more and more horrified at what I was putting up with. You get institutionalised.

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Iworkmiricles · 03/07/2020 14:21

[quote Rettstar]@Iworkmiricles ..

This isn't our fault, we have to accept this, we just have to build up walls around us and those we love to protect them.

My question would be why do we need to accept it. I'm hoping that you haven't and you're going to give your ex the heave-ho.[/quote]
Hell yes, they need to go. What I mean is that I have to accept, that this isn't my fault, at the end of the day, they are the one being the bad person because they are the one that won't do the decent thing and this isn't a reflection on me and what I want, it's a reflection of the sort of person that they are.

SeasideMaureen · 02/07/2020 16:54

Many replies I want to make. @EastCoastTranswidow so glad to hear you were able to file online. Wonderful step forward.

@Iworkmiricles I do very much wish they had worked on some of their other issues first. The counseling did seem to focus on getting outside dressed and other things that you mentioned. The hint of considering the feeling of others in this sends them reeling, they want nothing to do with that thought and when it has been brought up by those that now know they are angry.

@Rettstar to not be able to speak with those that are supposed to be friends is heartbreaking.

Rettstar · 02/07/2020 16:31

CW: rape. This might trigger some people, please don't be offended.

Counseling yesterday, I spent some of last night sobbing when I went to bed, I sobbed this evening, and at lunch time.

The realisation that I was recipient of abuse, not just the narcissism involved, but the words at the end of my relationship distilling it down to I was a female. It wasn't just about power or oppression. It was done to impose a version of reality that wasn't real. Rape is about power, oppression of an individual. I had the epiphany that I was raped. Like, not because it was to dominate, intimidate, power or anything like that, but literally raped because I was a woman, adult human female and he was not.

I wish I could just blank it all out.

He tried to groom me, and interestingly, with the (not going to name him because we don't want TRAs in this thread) the dude who wrote IT Crowd being banned from twitter for hate speech, and using the word groom in a potentially hateful context. So, it turns out that grooming has been banned from Twitter as some kind of hate word.

While most people would relate it to what nasty ppl do to kids, it happens to adults as well. So people who have experienced trauma are having their options to speak their truth limited or censored. It also gets said that abused women are being recruited and exploited for some kind of cultural warfare that is happening. That just isn't true, because if you believe that, then that invalidates the woman's experience, minimises it, delegitimises the lived experience so that we step back and go "well, she's being taken advantage of, so rather than listen, we pity".. And then disregard her narrative and her experience.

It's not just about belief. Women don't speak up against a mainstream pov unless it is important, most of women simply do not want the attention.

I can't just say - transwomen are men, because in my group of friends, I would be the outlier. They have determined that a man can feel like a woman, therefore is a woman. This is HUGELY triggering for me. My experience this week, was to be told by a friend that "I understand you feel this way because of your experience and it was terrible, I can't imagine how it would be for you" and then sent me an article about how my generation of women have got it wrong (written by a man of course) and we were influenced by TV shows, movies etc. So, I was gaslit, unknowingly by a close friend.

That resulted in a lot of tears. So now I can say I was raped, repeatedly, over 8 years. Just not to my friends, but to complete strangers who don't know me and believe me, because they have a similar lived experience. I would be shunned, if I said what I thought, I realise that now after seeing a lot of crap coming from them on FB/Twitter or dismissed as a "victim".

My counselor asked for more info, she's a psychologist that specialises in Trauma. She is absolutely gobsmacked at what I've been through and was horrified to know that there are so many more women out there, who can't speak their truth for fear of reprisals. It's not her area of experience, but I think she wants to know more. She certainly doesn't believe that a woman should be forced into maintaining a relationship with a TIM, as it literally breaks all original intent when forming the relationship together.

I haven't been able to diarise everything about my ex yet. When I am finally able to put pen to paper, I know that I'm going to be ok.

Reading some of the new poster's stories just breaks my heart. You are all strong amazing women, I'm proud to know you.

Rettstar · 02/07/2020 16:17

@Iworkmiricles ..

This isn't our fault, we have to accept this, we just have to build up walls around us and those we love to protect them.

My question would be why do we need to accept it. I'm hoping that you haven't and you're going to give your ex the heave-ho.

Iworkmiricles · 02/07/2020 10:49

I guess I am lucky in that sex doesn't enter into the equation at all. I haven't had it for years. Even when I did, it wasn't great. How I have two children is beyond me!
The "counselling" that they get seems to focus more on being them, having the confidence to leave the house or be their female self. It doesn't seem to explore the impact on others and their situation beyond the gender issues. This isn't helpful to anyone other than them, and I do feel that they should be being offered more to see the impact on others, as it may make them a bit more likeable. I certainly don't' like mine at the moment for being such a selfish, bone idle dick.
This isn't our fault, we have to accept this, we just have to build up walls around us and those we love to protect them. I used to think that this was my fault, that I wasn't strong enough to throw them out, then I realised, this isn't my fault, this is entirely theirs, they are the one that just can't see the issues, and until this happens, they may never go, all I can do is make it as uncomfortable for them as possible.

QuinnMovesOn · 02/07/2020 03:58

@EastCoastTranswidow, congrats on getting to the divorce filing, that's a major step forward.

I also came to the realization that my husband doesn't exist anymore. There is only all of the worst traits remaining... the extreme narcissism, inability to manage his anger, heavy drinking, living in squalor, etc. And spending money like there's no tomorrow. There is nothing left of the person I married.

QuinnMovesOn · 02/07/2020 03:42

*Maureen, yes, this spider software would at least collect all the messages, even if it's not in a great format to start.

Milotic · 02/07/2020 00:51

Mine doesnt even seem to be about sex. He let's men have sex with him but he doesnt get anything from it and cant get it up for them.

I genuinely think this "female personality" is actually a result of him dissociating as a child due to his step dad sexually abusing him and telling him he was a girl, acted like a girl, had a girls body etc.

This is no different than my own mental disorder and it makes everything much harder to process for me. It makes me dissociative when people twist reality. I've also done it since I was a child. But my experience was traumatic not toxic (house fire, everyone fine thankfully, but it was my fault and i couldve killed us all).

It is BAFFLING to me to see someone with the exact same symptoms I do and one being treated as a mental illness and one not.

He behaves exactly how I behave when I'm encouraged to dissociate. I couldve ended up in prison for the things he caused.

It makes me question my own reality, sanity and mind. My brain has a shooting pain in it whenever I try to make judgements. It's like its anticipating traumas as a result.

They're such poison.

Kettlingur · 01/07/2020 22:25

Isn't it weird when someone throws their whole life away just to concentrate on.. their dick?

EastCoastTranswidow · 01/07/2020 15:58

Gosh - writing all that out, makes it sounds truly bizarre right? Not acceptable to me at all.

EastCoastTranswidow · 01/07/2020 15:55

I am back after a few months of contemplation over the lockdown and I feel so much better. I was able to find an attorney to file divorce for me online since courts are still closed here. The ex has agreed to no-contest divorce and will let me keep the house and she moves out. I do have to give her some $$ but its better than giving her half the value of the house, which would be considerable.

Triggering content My ex now thinks she is a Female Dom and has had dates with men, and is having sex with them, not for money, just for the power trips. After she told me she had stopped meeting men online, she started up again and had cam sex with a few. I was gobsmacked and disgusted. This really made me realize, my husband is not here anymore. I have to separate legally from this person. She is spending money on sexy fetish gear like there is no tomorrow, and then says she has no money for house things.

And then she still gives me the big guilt trip and says if I would become lesbian with her, she would not need to meet these people. I know she has multiple accounts and is chatting with men. She would not give up that thrill now that she has had a taste of it.

Kettlingur · 01/07/2020 15:08

MonkeyBusiness for my ex-husband I suspect it was my age - I aged out of being feminine quite early. He now dresses like a schoolgirl, an unfortunate look for a middle aged male.

MonkeyBusinessLads · 01/07/2020 10:32

Kettlingur yes mine said I was completely unfeminine and too fat for sex. I was the same size as when we met (very average) when I was the most beautiful woman on earth. But I didn't dress like he does now - ie, mini skirts, fishnets, thigh high stiletto boots, very low tops, huge amounts of make up, very long red nails, very long hair extensions etc. So I wasn't a feminine woman after all. Confused

SeasideMaureen · 30/06/2020 23:57

@TinselAngel sounds like an excellent idea. Not my type of techie though. @QuinnMovesOn think the spider could be used for ensuring the data exists then used later to create a more useful archive?

@kettlingur mine at least suggested the same. And with it a knock to my size that taken with what it was in response to makes me wonder if they feel I’m less of a woman for it. Or at least we’re trying to make me feel that way.

Kettlingur · 30/06/2020 23:07

Has anyone else had him try to make the situation your fault?

Mine once uttered "I need to turn into a woman because you were never feminine enough!"

Apparently there's a quota every straight couple should fill? Confused

QuinnMovesOn · 30/06/2020 22:57

Tinsel, it depends on what you want. A "web spider" program would capture all the content, but it will be somewhat haphazard, effectively they'd be saved as individual web pages. So archived, yes, but not an especially useful archive.

Plus some manual labor is involved, as otherwise the spider software will capture everything that's on a link to these pages, and I do mean everything... so I or someone would need to babysit the process to make sure that a link to, oh, Wikipedia, doesn't then cause it to try to download the entire Wikipedia site!

TinselAngel · 30/06/2020 21:56

If anybody who lurks on these threads and is techy could see their way to archiving them for me, I would be very grateful Smile

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SeasideMaureen · 26/06/2020 22:24

Yes only a counselor and one specifically for gender identify so I can’t imagine there was any assistance with unpacking all issues and then helping navigate and see if he current course of action is truly the best for him. His current course of action could be the best for him but if so not because someone just affirmed each thing he chose to say. I didn’t know until just before the sessions that he had chosen to speak to someone and not until after that it was not more general of encompassing him as a whole person. It was very good to take the step to speak with someone but I had incorrectly assumed it was more for anger issues and such. For myself I did take the next step in seeing what my work offers in terms of mental health assistance and will get something booked.

Milotic · 26/06/2020 19:01

What I mean when I say I was open etc. I mean I actually was happy to date transwomen. I'm bisexual with a preference for feminine traits. Not too bothered about the packaging. People knew this about me. So he struggled to say I'd never been open that way. He just shamed me in other ways. I actually remember being glad I never let him assume I was straight because I knew exactly how hed have used that.

What is he seeing a councillor for?
A councillor isnt qualified to diagnose anything. All the do is listen and take notes. If you are under psychiatric care they may feed back to your psychiatrist.

I've said a few times I believe these men had an identity disorder similar to my own.

It is an addiction to your own ego. It also makes us some of the most manipulative people you could find. I manipulated councillors for years I made it seem like my mum was the crazy one.

My mum was having heart palpitations while I stood there acting like nothing had happened telling a police officer she was imagining it.

Councillors dont diagnose anything. He is lying about it OR he manipulated and dragged the words out.

SeasideMaureen · 26/06/2020 17:23

@milotic that’s awful that things kept being invented. I never tried to hide or lie about my sexuality I just never would have guessed it wasn’t obvious. I thought a lot last night and I feel I have an idea of where there is a miscommunication (centered around my why my sexuality didn’t factor in for me until the declaration of being a woman). But I don’t know if it is even worth it to try and explain with them. All my attempts to explain myself have been met with twisting and adding words because they say it is a part of the connotation.

@TinselAngel I keep being told that they aren’t going to really be any different. Yet there is a whole new name and they apparently weren’t the true person they were inside until the counselor told them what the issue was.