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Trans Widows' Escape Committee 4 - A New Hope

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TinselAngel · 03/05/2020 12:23

Who would have thought we'd make it to thread 4?

Let's have some mutual pats on the back for the amazing support women on these threads have given to other trans widows, and the accidental consciousness raising that has come about as a result of this community.

This is a support area for women who are, or have been, in unhappy relationships with male partners who are transitioning, or exploring their "gender identity"

If you are in that position-

  1. You are not alone
  2. It is not a situation that you should be expected to tolerate, let alone celebrate.
  3. There is always a way out, if you want it. The thread is called Escape Committee for that reason

Remember: women talking to each other is a powerful weapon!

We now have a website which has been very well recived, and if any women who have contributed to these threads would like to write their story for inclusion on the website that would be wonderful.

Do post to get the new thread going. Links to the website and previous threads will follow.

As ever our thoughts are with the women still stuck in these relationships- check in, we do worry about you.

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TinselAngel · 28/09/2020 16:32

Off!

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TinselAngel · 28/09/2020 16:31

And even if you don't find anybody else, you're still better of!

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QuinnMovesOn · 28/09/2020 16:15

@toomanytears, please try to take care of yourself, either via a counsellor or other resources.

It's not all about the AGP husband. You and I and all the rest of us deserve better than that.

My husband wanted me to stay. I refused. Even though I'm now several years post divorce and still haven't been out on a date, it is better than being trapped in that hopeless "Jennifer Boylan" marriage where my ex wanted us to live as "sisters". Because now I at least can have the hope of finding someone who will love me and isn't as fucked-up as my ex.

TinselAngel · 27/09/2020 15:32

Your story is very sad Too. At the end of the day I think it boils down to trust. Where does a relationship go if one party no longer trusts the other?

What you describe with your husband having counselling to discover the causes of everything is what we'd all like to happen, I think, I know it's what I wanted. So it's salutary to think that even after all that the problems don't disappear.

I think what you say about how you feel guilty that he's done so much work on himself but you're still not happy is not really fair though. He must have wanted to do the work for himself too?

I'd agree with what you say about you having more counselling if you feel it would be helpful. You deserve to have as much resource put into sorting yourself out as he has had.

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Toomanytears · 26/09/2020 14:25

Very kind of you to remember me Tinsel I have popped back ever so often to keep up with everyone. I wanted to post but wasn't sure how long it would be and I didn't want to offend anyone but here it is.

For background about 18months ago my DH of 20 years announced he had been cd throughout our relationship. He was clearly on the edge of a breakdown so in my head I decided to stay with him for 12 months to get him on an even keel and all my ducks in a row. There were some other reasons for staying that length of time, including our 3dc. I remember just after he told me being awake all night and posting on MN in relationships and tinsel found me and bought me to this thread which has been invaluable and I can not thank her enough for what she has done.

DH did have breakdown, swore he wouldn't continue cd etc but we've heard it all before. He did see an excellent counsellor who thought he is probably autistic (as soon as this was suggested so much slotted into place so I suspect he was right) and that the cd was actually a sex addiction, and addiction is an attempt to escape or block something out. The counselor worked with him for months about his childhood, mainly and I have watched my DH grow into a new person. He has a good understanding of why he felt the need to cd, he's more open and honest about things and an all round better husband and father than he was before. However, in many ways this has left me in limbo. I always thought the cd would continue and I would leave (back in March was the plan but obviously the world had other plans). I am as sure as I can be that he isn't cd and that he won't again but our marriage is still dead. I don't feel it's fair to leave when he's done everything I wanted, day to day we actually get on better than ever and we provide emotional and financial stability for the dc but we have only been physical once in the last 15 months when I thought maybe I should try and repair things and had a lot of wine but I just don't want to. The idea of him 'dressed' repels me and even if he never does it again he still did. I have tried to explain that he's taken something from me. I was never one for loads of lacy garments but occasionally I would wear something other than the standard M&S 5 pack black briefs but I feel I can't with him now. Firstly, what if he finds the clothes more attractive than me? Secondly, I can't cope with the idea that even for a nanosecond he might think how nice it would be to wear them himself.

I still have sexuality but I no longer feel I can express it with him. Day by Day everything is good here but ultimately I'm cheating myself out of loving and being loved. I really need to see a counsellor again myself. I'm still angry that my marriage isn't what I thought it was. DH and I have spoken at length about his actions and it boils down to a shitty childhood and while I would never say anything, I resent his parents for letting him down as a boy. I have read so much about late transitioners and I keep coming back to it being a mental health issue which seems to link to childhood and our sexual expression is often linked to early experiences so while I have a good understanding of DH's behaviour I still can't accept it.

So, in conclusion, if you've got this far, I can't call myself a trans widow. I'm just another lonely woman in a loveless marriage (although that's not true either, DH does love me) but the harm was done by the same shitty society that has raised men poorly so that think they can be women without a thought for anyone else rather than actually dealing with their issues.

Anyway, very pleased to see self id is no longer going to be an option. To all of you in the midst of this, it's hell and there is no happy ending but possibly, one day, we can all get a new hopeful beginning.

TinselAngel · 24/09/2020 23:49

I want to give some general love to all the women who have posted here in light of the recent policy announcements in England and Wales.

May women on this board have said that reading our stories has made them realise that the sudden explosion of trans identities is not victimless and that AGP is most definitely a thing.

You are all brilliant Thanks

I also think of those contributors who are MIA or haven't posted for a while, including @birdbandit , @EmilyHowardsWife and @TooManyTears.

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TinselAngel · 23/09/2020 21:37

That's ironic because if you had really been in a same sex marriage you wouldn't have been able to divorce on the grounds of adultery! (Assuming you're in England and Wales).

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KickingBishopBrennanUpTheArrse · 23/09/2020 21:15

@QuinnMovesOn

This is something I'm curious about... of the divorced trans widows, was anyone not the one to initiate the divorce? It feels like it's almost always the wife who walks, just from reading the threads.
Apologies - accidentally pressed post early.

I divorced my AGP husband for adultery. He committed adultery 3 times with his lady penis. I also got lots of unreasonable behaviour ie emotional abuse detail in there too. He somehow got a very quick gender recognition certificate (was secretly going to a GIC for 2 years) & so was able to get his new name on the decree absolute to show me divorcing a woman for adultery. Confused

The house was mine in my sole name that I'd owned for many years before I met him and completely paid for myself during the marriage, plus children to support too, so he got nothing.

KickingBishopBrennanUpTheArrse · 23/09/2020 21:08

@QuinnMovesOn

This is something I'm curious about... of the divorced trans widows, was anyone not the one to initiate the divorce? It feels like it's almost always the wife who walks, just from reading the threads.
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socialworker222 · 22/09/2020 22:33

It's a good day for women and the often-forgotten needs and rights of partners.

TinselAngel · 22/09/2020 11:47

Not sure if that link worked.

twitter.com/geogovuk/status/1308337614500569093?s=21

Trans Widows' Escape Committee 4 - A New Hope
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TinselAngel · 22/09/2020 11:45

It looks like the spousal exit clause is being retained, which is great news for trans widows in England and Wales:

twitter.com/geogovuk/status/1308337614500569093?s=21

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socialworker222 · 19/09/2020 12:30

Maybe starting by talking through your situation with trusted people. And trying to work out what you ideally want. It's the hardest period of my entire life, leaving and divorcing under these weird isolating circumstances, and in the current climate of trans celebration... But I have come through it better without my ex.

TinselAngel · 18/09/2020 21:52

It is hard.

Leaving was the hardest thing I've ever done, (with my young child), but it was so worth it.

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Slymee · 18/09/2020 19:45

@socialworker222

Free initial session with a solicitor to find out where I stood re. house/money. Saving cash. Talking to supportive friends and family. Ascertaining what I wanted (divorce, full custody, to be able to buy him out of he house, clean break, minimal disruption to kids). You lose nothing by doing some research and planning even if you decide to stay, or stay until the kids are older. Are you in the UK Slymee ? Married?
No I live in US and married, Kinda hard when you had little kids
socialworker222 · 18/09/2020 18:51

Free initial session with a solicitor to find out where I stood re. house/money.
Saving cash.
Talking to supportive friends and family.
Ascertaining what I wanted (divorce, full custody, to be able to buy him out of he house, clean break, minimal disruption to kids).
You lose nothing by doing some research and planning even if you decide to stay, or stay until the kids are older.
Are you in the UK Slymee ? Married?

QuinnMovesOn · 18/09/2020 16:54

I also strongly recommend finding a counsellor or an in-person (or online, these days) support group. I feel like I didn't really start my recovery until I was in therapy and a good support group.

QuinnMovesOn · 18/09/2020 16:49

Get professional assistance. There are potential financial traps, like your soon-to-be ex creating a lot of debt. Transition is expensive and I told my ex bluntly that I wasn't going to pay for it.

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TinselAngel · 18/09/2020 11:44

@Slymee

How you initiate to leave this kinda type men?. I wanna try to leave my husband but kids and financially always make me hard to do that.
I just put the house in the market and said I was going. I moved into rented with the help of my parents, and then housing benefit until benefits were sorted.
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Slymee · 18/09/2020 03:04

How you initiate to leave this kinda type men?. I wanna try to leave my husband but kids and financially always make me hard to do that.

socialworker222 · 17/09/2020 22:19

100% me. He wanted to stay married with me as fully-on-board female partner... I divorced him very rapidly as I wanted to divorce him, not the new and strange made-up person he had invented. I had a collaborative divorce where you sit with lawyers and thrash it out.. again my idea as I idealised it all being civil and kind (it so wasn't Hmm)
And I didn't want to sit in a room with him in a miniskirt talking in that falsetto. Much like Tinsel I wanted the end of my marriage to be reality-based and not part of the transition narrative which usually regards women and children as reasonable and inevitable collateral damage.
Welcome Living.

TinselAngel · 16/09/2020 23:06

Given these threads are for women who have left or who want to leave, I don't know how representative we are.

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Kettlingur · 16/09/2020 22:00

I know one case where the wife stayed but the semi-transitioned husband suddenly decided they needed to sleep with men to feel like a proper woman.

TinselAngel · 16/09/2020 18:04

@QuinnMovesOn

This is something I'm curious about... of the divorced trans widows, was anyone not the one to initiate the divorce? It feels like it's almost always the wife who walks, just from reading the threads.
It was important to me to divorce him for unreasonable behaviour because that's what I wanted on record as being the truth of the situation.

It's an interesting point though. Is it generally us that initiate it? I'm not sure. I'd be interested to hear what other women's experience is too.

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