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Trans Widows' Escape Committee 4 - A New Hope

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TinselAngel · 03/05/2020 12:23

Who would have thought we'd make it to thread 4?

Let's have some mutual pats on the back for the amazing support women on these threads have given to other trans widows, and the accidental consciousness raising that has come about as a result of this community.

This is a support area for women who are, or have been, in unhappy relationships with male partners who are transitioning, or exploring their "gender identity"

If you are in that position-

  1. You are not alone
  2. It is not a situation that you should be expected to tolerate, let alone celebrate.
  3. There is always a way out, if you want it. The thread is called Escape Committee for that reason

Remember: women talking to each other is a powerful weapon!

We now have a website which has been very well recived, and if any women who have contributed to these threads would like to write their story for inclusion on the website that would be wonderful.

Do post to get the new thread going. Links to the website and previous threads will follow.

As ever our thoughts are with the women still stuck in these relationships- check in, we do worry about you.

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socialworker222 · 03/01/2021 09:53

Southern how awful for you. Telling our kids was the worst moment for me. I think you will feel better when he actually goes. You've done really well keeping things ticking over and telling your daughter in a planned way.
Hi Fenella, did you just break up with a man who turned out to be a crossdresser/ wants to transition? Sorry if I missed earlier.posts from you. Given you ended it, I hope you feel some relief?
Need to read the article again but agree. I plan to write in and note 'transphobia' isn't what automatically drives the decision to leave...

SeasideM · 03/01/2021 07:21

@TinselAngel read that article and so much she put up with. What got me though was a spot with something like for flesh and blood people it is doubtful that it ever something like the wife finding a dress had been worn or finding women’s clothes that are not their own. Oh really?

MsFenellaFielding · 03/01/2021 07:08

I'm sorry I haven't read the whole thread but have, last night, ended a six-month relationship last night.

I feel like a boiled frog and while I had some reservations, I didn't have any idea. painful in all ways.

I just fucking bewildered and so fucking sorry some of you (I suppose it's now us) have lived this. I feel used and dirty and so hurt.

SouthernTW · 03/01/2021 05:47

We told the kids tonight that he is moving out on Friday. My poor sweet daughter was inconsolable. I just can't understand how cavalier he is about our children's feelings. I am counting the minutes until he is gone.

That article is heartbreaking. And infuriating. What kind of selfish person does that to a woman who just had a baby, especially after years of infertility?

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socialworker222 · 01/01/2021 09:17

Yes good morning from the UK, and I hope 2021 is a better year for you all whether you're thinking about your situation, making big decisions and changes, going it alone, or sitting tight with a partner doing this. You're not.on your own Flowers

SouthernTW · 31/12/2020 13:14

Here's to a better 2021, fellow trans widows!

TinselAngel · 30/12/2020 11:28

@socialworker222

Nice to see you back Tinsel hope the break did you some good. Did you actually take a break? I have a feeling you didn't have very long Smile My ex did bugger all in terms of cooking or housework until the great awakening... At which point he started elaborate baking. It finished me off, as I realized he saw that as women's work, and something he would start doing with great fanfare. It was the last straw, seeing his misogyny laid bare.
I only managed about 3 days before I got dragged back into Twitter. I'm managing not to answer emails to the website though so at least that's something Blush
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socialworker222 · 30/12/2020 07:19

Nice to see you back Tinsel hope the break did you some good.
Did you actually take a break? I have a feeling you didn't have very long Smile
My ex did bugger all in terms of cooking or housework until the great awakening... At which point he started elaborate baking. It finished me off, as I realized he saw that as women's work, and something he would start doing with great fanfare. It was the last straw, seeing his misogyny laid bare.

KickingBishopBrennanUpTheArrse · 29/12/2020 23:03

Yes the narcissistic abuse cycle includes idealisation, devaluing and discarding repeatedly. Love bombing is part of the idealisation phase.

www.goodtherapy.org/blog/idealize-devalue-discard-the-dizzying-cycle-of-narcissism-0325154

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 29/12/2020 21:48

Isn't love-bombing the third phase of the cycle of abuse? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cycle_of_abuse#3:_Reconciliation/honeymoon

QuinnMovesOn · 29/12/2020 20:13

@SouthernTW, my ex did the love-bombing thing to me too, in the last months we lived together. Things like doing household chores that he would never do before. I just thought it was rather sad. And it didn't affect my decision to leave at all.

highame · 29/12/2020 10:07

Nice to see you back Tinsel hope the break did you some good. For all you women Flowers

SouthernTW · 29/12/2020 05:25

We were out of the country for Christmas. Thank God. I couldn't have handled this last holiday at home. But wifi was spotty, so I am catching up with you all now.

@themiserychick- I can't even imagine going through this with children that young. I do think telling your parents or a therapist may lighten your load just a little. This is such a traumatic experience. I completely relate to the what will I tell people question. I am just filled with shame and embarrassment.

Spouse's moveout date is approaching and we are going to tell the kids this weekend. It was nice to be gone, but it messed with my head. There was a lot of lovebombing going on. Spouse was exceptionally affectionate and kept up with the "you don't know how hard this is for me" and "I just want to be married to you" nonsense. And his piss poor parenting was very much at the forefront this past week. He didn't even go to Christmas breakfast with us because he was fasting and going to the gym. His last Christmas morning with his kids (because our separation agreement gives me every Christmas) and he couldn't even sit at the same table at the same time even if he wasn't going to eat.

@TinselAngel- I struggle with the SSN approach and really don't think trans widows' issues are in the same wheelhouse as straight spouses anyway.

themiserychick · 28/12/2020 10:45

@TinselAngel I've had issues with anxiety since I was in primary school from bullying, and depression since high school, so it's not entirely because of this particular trauma. This whole situation has made it worse lately though. I have anxiety about confrontation, of telling people, of coping on my own, dealing with him and trans stuff, having to start working full time again... The list seems endless sometimes. I'm not on antidepressants at the moment, I believe that this current depression is completely situational and won't be helped with them. It's this, plus the bullying from work, plus the pandemic, and everything else that's weighing me down.

TinselAngel · 28/12/2020 10:35

@themiserychick

Thanks everyone, I know I need to get going, I'm just having trouble starting. My finances are my own and he has no access to them. I have money and he doesn't. We are not married, you can thank my eldest for that. FYI I am Australian, so no NHS here, we have Medicare instead. Hopefully I'll be processed quickly in the new year, my partner is having the same issue with therapy.

I kind of have a plan, but of course anxiety gets in the way. Will start looking for work again in the new year, but I dread having to go back to childcare work, because that's what I'm qualified for.

I used to think I had a problem with anxiety, particularly around the time that you are now at, and it took counselling and and anti depressants to get it under control. Now I suspect my problem was less with unreasonable levels of anxiety and more with the huge trauma I was going through.

What is it that you are particularly anxious about? Telling other people? Coping on your own? We may be able to suggest ways to mitigate it.

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KickingBishopBrennanUpTheArrse · 28/12/2020 10:19

@themiserychick

Thanks everyone, I know I need to get going, I'm just having trouble starting. My finances are my own and he has no access to them. I have money and he doesn't. We are not married, you can thank my eldest for that. FYI I am Australian, so no NHS here, we have Medicare instead. Hopefully I'll be processed quickly in the new year, my partner is having the same issue with therapy.

I kind of have a plan, but of course anxiety gets in the way. Will start looking for work again in the new year, but I dread having to go back to childcare work, because that's what I'm qualified for.

Please talk to your parents. Tell them everything. Then they can take over if you feel overwhelmed.
themiserychick · 27/12/2020 22:26

Thanks everyone, I know I need to get going, I'm just having trouble starting. My finances are my own and he has no access to them. I have money and he doesn't. We are not married, you can thank my eldest for that. FYI I am Australian, so no NHS here, we have Medicare instead. Hopefully I'll be processed quickly in the new year, my partner is having the same issue with therapy.

I kind of have a plan, but of course anxiety gets in the way. Will start looking for work again in the new year, but I dread having to go back to childcare work, because that's what I'm qualified for.

EmilyHowardsWife · 27/12/2020 15:06

TinselAngel. I'm doing well, better than a few years ago. Hope you are doing okay as well.

Thelnebriati · 27/12/2020 13:09

themiserychick That stuck feeling can paralyse you and become overwhelming. It can become difficult to sort out priorities.

What you will tell other people is the least of your worries. Its not your problem. You can make up a stock answer. 'Its so sad but we are just moving apart.''

Getting back to work is more important. It doesnt have to be the same job - but get out of the house and spend time in a culture that isn't about his transition and what the future brings. That and having an independant income will help you break out of the rut.

TinselAngel · 27/12/2020 12:33

Oh and welcome back @EmilyHowardsWife - how are you doing?

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TinselAngel · 27/12/2020 12:33

Hi misery I'm glad you've found us, and you've already been given some good advice.

A couple of things that I would add- it sounds like he's really pretty far down the rabbit hole, he's already taking cross sex hormones and is immersed in online trans communities. He's also working on getting rid of body hair. This points to him having made the decision to transition- did the doctor that you mention refer him to a GIC? He's not just dabbling in this,from what you've said. I don't want to scare you by pointing the above out, but I think it will be useful for you to keep in mind if he starts to try and minimise it.

In my experience, those feelings from 3 years ago won't have really gone away in the interim, he'll have just got better at hiding them for a while.

The good thing is though, you're in quite a strong position if/ when you do chose to end the relationship. It sounds like you are not married, so you are under no obligation to support him financially. Also you are living with your parents, where presumably he has no legal right to reside so making him leave shouldn't be too much of a problem.

You have young children so it is REALLY important that you prioritise your own mental health. I'd definitely think about using some of your savings to pay for counselling if you're going to have to wait ages otherwise. Thanks

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KickingBishopBrennanUpTheArrse · 27/12/2020 11:46

@themiserychick

I'm pretty sure that the relationship won't last, but I don't feel able to end it yet, at least until I get to therapy. I have some anxiety about it and having to tell people why. Even though he's got serious problems he's really good with the kids and doing housework and cooking. Sometimes I wonder if I'm just taking him for granted in that respect.

I had to quit my job because I just couldn't face going back there, I'm so burnt out and mentally not able to deal with it. So finances aren't great but I do have savings to last a while. He actually took money from his superannuation fund so he could pay for face lasering because I told him I wouldn't pay for it.

I have no one I can talk to about this. That's why I've been all over the internet to find somewhere I can at least vent. Any searches usually point you towards the people and places that are supportive and positive and happy about their trans partner. It's so unfair.

I can direct you to a superb psychotherapist who specialises in complex PTSD & narcissistic abuse and over the last few years has also built up experience of supporting trans widows so really will understand. Online video appointments by Skype available so location is no issue. She really changed everything for me. Message me if you want her details
EmilyHowardsWife · 27/12/2020 10:28

themiserychic Please, are there any online therapists you can access. There are some NHS trusts that offer this service free. Other than that is there any family or friend you can talk to in absolute confidence.
I know the shame and fear you feel, but it's his closet, not yours. It's his thing/mental issue/shame NOT YOURS.
You don't have to say about the details, you could start by saying it's a sex lifestyle issue that isn't compatible with your needs and wants and is damaging you and interfering with family life.

I would advise that thinking about separating at this point can be too overwhelming, so you don't have to think that far into the future.

I would also try and take some deep breaths, taking the emotion out of things (more easy said than done). Then practice saying what you want in the partnership then taking him somewhere quiet and be absolutely honest about what you want from him as a life partner and what you cannot tolerate.
Let him know that if he carries on as he is there is a high chance your partnership will not survive because you both want such different things.

Most importantly of all talk to your Bank TODAY. Get your finances away from him now, this second, without delay.

You will survive this whatever happens. Don't think to much of the future, think about today and one thing at a time.

NeurotreeWenceslas · 27/12/2020 09:52

I'm so sorry themisery, you're carrying so much on your shoulders and I can't imagine how you felt when you found out. It's hard enough with two small children and bully bosses.

You've found the right place here. Many wise women. Sending many hugs Thanks

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