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What broader issues has the trans (lack of) debate opened your eyes to?

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FredFlintstonesTunic · 30/04/2020 11:49

For me, it's really exposed how large media platforms (i.e., a few very rich and powerful people) can shape public perceptions (e.g., by blocking, shaming, nudging and belittling certain ideas and/or people, and promoting others).

I'm no longer so quick to dismiss other people's unusual opinions, or to label them "conspiracists" without looking as openly as possible into what they're talking about (including from sources associated with intelligent people not necessarily in the mainstream media). I don't trust Wikipedia (or Urban Dictionary) without question (which I shouldn't have anyway, but...). I have more respect for people who are willing to say unpopular things (e.g., left-wingers who don't like the EU). In general, I'm far more likely to take news stories with a pinch of salt.

Anyone else?

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RoyalCorgi · 30/04/2020 12:58

Most of the things that people have already mentioned, but also:

  1. The power of peer pressure. It is quite amazing to see the number of people prepared to go along with an ideology that is self-evidently stupid and offensive because they are frightened to challenge it. When you see someone like Alice Roberts endorsing an idea that is profoundly anti-scientific (the biological equivalent of believing the earth is flat) you can see the tremendous power of the urge to conform. If you've ever wondered why people went along with the Stasi, with McCarthyism, with the Vichy govt etc, well, here's your evidence.
  1. How many men delight in misogyny. Men you previously thought were OK (Billy Bragg, say) turn out to really hate women, and to love nothing more than the opportunity to scold women for not being appropriately kind or deferential. That's been quite bracing.
Barracker · 30/04/2020 12:58

How depressingly malleable the general population is.

SarahTancredi · 30/04/2020 12:41

Just how much time I wasted in my younger days. Putting myself in sketchy situations to prove that men just wont do x/y/z .

That peope who really are that stupid can be in charge if the country or an organisation etc liars are everywhere hours cannot trust anyone
It didn't take long for men to reveal their mysoginistic entitled selves at all.

ZuttZeVootEeeVro · 30/04/2020 12:40

How very small, well organised groups can affect legislation, punching far above their weight

I agree, but i don't think its particularly a Scottish problem. I think it's uk wide and its about the power of lobbying.

The pressure to change the surrogacy laws is another example.

Thinkingabout1t · 30/04/2020 12:36

I agree with all comments made here so far. It was the assault on Maria MacLachlan in 2017 that first opened my eyes to what was happening.

I felt as if I'd gone out one morning and discovered everyone's face was painted blue. Just - what??? why????

Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/04/2020 12:34

Mostly just how misogyny is so deeply entrenched that its effectively invisible to a lot of people.

Yes, this. People who consider themselves very invested in social justice and regularly virtue signal on social media not even thinking that they need to consider women and girls at all.

JustTurtlesAllTheWayDown · 30/04/2020 12:30

Mostly just how misogyny is so deeply entrenched that its effectively invisible to a lot of people.
It's been mind boggling to see so many self-proclaimed feminists and virtue signalled completely dismiss the real life experiences and voices of rape survivors, female prisoners, child abuse and domestic violence victims while telling them to 'be kind'.
I always knew our society had a problem with sexism but this has thrown into sharp relief that it's far more ingrained than I realised.
Its come as quite a shock to be honest.

sleepyhead · 30/04/2020 12:21

How very small, well organised groups can affect legislation, punching far above their weight - especially in the Scottish context, possibly an artefact of being a small country, probably an artefact of a proportional representation political set-up.

Lostvoiced · 30/04/2020 12:20

That people really believe in "gender" as a thing, as in girls like x and boys like y. It's so weird to me. Or having an inner "girl-ness" or "boy-ness".
People say they dont believe in stereotypes but then someone will say they're not a woman because they don't like shopping or dresses and everyone nods along.

Am I just a weirdo? I don't feel like anything except a person. I like what I like no matter what society says about who should like it.
But people seem to really place a lot of importance on these things, and it's apparently hateful to talk about it?

I dont want to upset anyone and I certainly don't hate anyone, I just dont understand it at all!

Even this comment I'm worried about upsetting people! Confused

calllaaalllaaammma · 30/04/2020 12:14

I agree, the regulatory capture of the media was a shock to me,, particularly the BBC, which has been pushing the trans agender due to the influence of some of it's staff members (particularly a few years ago).

How willingly and quickly the British media & Government enacted policies and ideas from the USA which were re-enforced through American media channels.

How little power women have in the media compared to men.