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What broader issues has the trans (lack of) debate opened your eyes to?

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FredFlintstonesTunic · 30/04/2020 11:49

For me, it's really exposed how large media platforms (i.e., a few very rich and powerful people) can shape public perceptions (e.g., by blocking, shaming, nudging and belittling certain ideas and/or people, and promoting others).

I'm no longer so quick to dismiss other people's unusual opinions, or to label them "conspiracists" without looking as openly as possible into what they're talking about (including from sources associated with intelligent people not necessarily in the mainstream media). I don't trust Wikipedia (or Urban Dictionary) without question (which I shouldn't have anyway, but...). I have more respect for people who are willing to say unpopular things (e.g., left-wingers who don't like the EU). In general, I'm far more likely to take news stories with a pinch of salt.

Anyone else?

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ScrimpshawTheSecond · 30/04/2020 14:01

How much lazy thinking, cognitive bias and general horribleness there is on the left. I've been liberal/left all my life - I've really started to question that.

DameHannahRelf · 30/04/2020 13:55

How afraid the patriarchy is, of being emasculated, to the point that any man who doesn't conform to/present as their narrow view of a male (straight, masculine, aggressive etc), is declared to be lesser, or even a woman trapped in a mans body. Because no "real man" could think like that...

How little regard many have to womens rights in general. Men most of all, but also privileged (and sometimes ignorant), women in postitions of authority. Watching labour party conferences etc and seeing how many women, will sell out other women, for "woke" points.

SarahTancredi · 30/04/2020 13:54

The Wokebeard phenomenon has been a bit of a shocker for me, as I'm pretty much surrounded by the fuckers and I always assumed they were on my (women's) side

I often wonder what would happen if thewe mens' dds were assaulted or fell victim to one of the many scenarios they fail to acknowledge are an issue. Whether they would honestly think they had done something wrong, call their own daughters sluts , or tell their daughters they should be kind and let the males take their medals and places on the sports team

HerFemaleness · 30/04/2020 13:46

That so called progressive left wing men see absolutely nothing wrong in telling women it's our job to protect feminine males from violence committed by other males, and that they don't see themselves as needing to lift a finger to try and make male spaces safe for feminine males.

R0wantrees · 30/04/2020 13:45

How little safeguarding is understood.

truthisarevolutionaryact · 30/04/2020 13:45

All of the above - but mostly the level of institutional capture that has literally enabled predators to access women and children at will while smug institutions look the other way - or in cases like Karen White, cheerlead their activities.

pigsknickers · 30/04/2020 13:41

The Wokebeard phenomenon has been a bit of a shocker for me, as I'm pretty much surrounded by the fuckers and I always assumed they were on my (women's) side. Having always been a tedious loud lefty, I'm finding myself far more in sympathy with some mindsets (if not actual ideologies) of other parts of the sociopolitical spectrum, which has been a bit challenging (but on the whole a really positive thing). The group-think, thought-policing going on on the left has been revealed to me through this issue, and left me feeling pretty disillusioned with left wing politics as a whole.

Grasspigeons · 30/04/2020 13:40

How resolutely people believe in pink brains and blue brains.

nauticant · 30/04/2020 13:39

It is surprising that many of the battles we thought had been or were being won were provisional and conditional victories and only a slight change in direction of the wind could see things reversed.

Aroundtheworldin80moves · 30/04/2020 13:29

How much people still believe in gender stereotypes. Bringing up girls in the 'Let Toys be Toys' era, I thought that people were moving past it.

How people will happily rewrite history to match their agenda.

How little some people properly understand Science, esp in regards to physical differences between male and female bodies

Thinkingabout1t · 30/04/2020 13:28

The pervasive spread of male supremacism. The patriarchy never went away, it just went a bit quiet for a while. But all the time, spreading its roots underground. Finally bursting out with the men's rights movement and all its sub-divisions, including the transgenderist assault on women's rights, gynocidal Incels, and online celebration of violence against women.

With hindsight, how foolish I was to think the patriarchy could have withered away.

KaronAVyrus · 30/04/2020 13:23

How easily men will use women’s basic human rights as a bargaining chip.

Deliriumoftheendless · 30/04/2020 13:19

There are a lot of people who care so little for the rights and welfare of women and kids that they cannot believe it’s a consideration for others.

HarrietTheShy · 30/04/2020 13:17

Men really, really don't want women to be equals. The most passionate trans advocates are straight white men who have never cared about a social issue before. It's given them cover to dish out the abuse they've been forced to hide for social reasons.

Lordfrontpaw · 30/04/2020 13:17

Bullies - nasty bullies

Lies - the lies they tell themselves and the lies encourage/bully others into believing nonsense.

Silly, silly wee students - oh my gosh, I'd say the critical thinking and logic abilities of the loud vocal students these days has crashed and burned since my day (and the IQ - but that is a mean thing to say)

Twitter - oh my eyes!

Stupidity - people will swallow anything on a meme

Nice - nah

Sex... 'traitor' is the only word that comes to mind - willing th throw their own sex under bus for a scoobie snack

Linguistics - now I had to take a linguistics course or my degree but I'd need a PhD in this and Logic to wrap my head around all this

Anime - not just a cutesy Japanese cartoon

Furries - not just innocent fun where people dressing up as cute animals

Trends - its not 'YOU'RE LITERALLY KILLING US WITH YOUR DENIAL OF OUR EXISTANCE!!!!' to 'YOU LIE!!!!'

And the introduction to the world of kinks, fetishishes and ideologies that I wish I could unsee.

Blue hair - it's not just for trolls anymore (I mean the doll kid)

Pronouns - don't get me started

Common sense - appears to be missing (if found please return to Twitter)

Oh Twitter - they delete your likes and retweets you know...

I could do an A-Z of this...

jay55 · 30/04/2020 13:12

The lengths men will go to, to ensure women cannot have anything for themselves.

Sillydoggy · 30/04/2020 13:08

How legislation is created and the involvement of lobby groups and institutional capture by groups working behind the scenes deliberately because they know what society will resist. That and the full extent of misogyny is what has utterly shocked me. Oh and the fact that positions, even MPs don’t have to listen to constituents if they don’t want to!!!

T0tallyFuckedUpFamily · 30/04/2020 13:05

I’m really shocked and depressed about how many women , not only go along with the misogyny, but actually collude with men to strip rights away from women. By women, I mean the ones who GC feminists, ie realists, recognise as women.

DickKerrLadies · 30/04/2020 13:02

Purity politics AKA Piers Morgan/Daily Mail Syndrome. We don't all agree on everything and we shouldn't want to. Variety is the spice of life and all that.

That 'the workers' doesn't include those that do unpaid care work.

TyroSaysMeow · 30/04/2020 13:02

It's made me realise that left and right are two wings of the same patriarchal bird.

Should've realised a lot sooner, really, but the breadth and depth of the Left's misogyny problem came as a shock.

bellinisurge · 30/04/2020 13:02

For me, I've learned that men think I'm not doing "woman" properly. I thought they didn't give a shit.

Hoppinggreen · 30/04/2020 13:01

How much some men really do hate women, and how much some women collude with them

Grasspigeons · 30/04/2020 13:00

How little safeguarding is understood by institutions

WrathofFaeKIopp · 30/04/2020 12:59

My eyes opened when I realise that TV presenters are colluding with this lie along with their special guests.
Jeremy Vine, Victoria Derbyshire and Lorraine Kelly to name but a few.
They are people of the lie.

Lorraine Kelly today even, was simpering over Hannah and Jake Graf and their surrogate baby.

Jake is an actor.
I prefer to say Hannah and Jake are both actors.

nauticant · 30/04/2020 12:59

Freedom of speech. If this can be closed down nasty things can happen. And then be hidden.

The importance of media plurality. Imagine where we'd be now had we only had a progressive media with no media outlets who say things we often don't like?

There will always be people who are keen, for diverse reasons, to remove safeguarding around children. They will never stop and need to be resisted continually.