Julie Bindel on twitter

I'm still raging, can't help it as more blue ticks wade in saying 'I wasn't here for the shit storm but I'm going to add my bit to it and make it worse'. I'm resisting slagging them off because the cause is more important. Jeez though.

Jane Claire Jones has deleted all her tweets.

I didn't read that as an epic rant. For me it was a helpful explainer about some of the back story to the current travails.

I'm confused, though: Kathleen is an academic, but Julie is a freelance journalist and Jane is (from all that I can gather) self-employed/freelance. Self-employment is hugely financially precarious, now more so than ever before, so I'm a bit bewildered by the 'privilege' narrative.

I value them because they explain things well and in a way that I (who does not have PhD in anything!) can understand.

I'm sure I'm not reading others who have a useful contribution to make so always open to be pointed towards other writers/academics/journalists.

Example: I'd love to read more of Louise Moody's work in this area. Can anyone point me to her best essays/articles/papers? (Although bear in mind I can't see anything behind an academic paywall, which might be limiting.)

Jane Claire Jones went on an epic 3 hour 10 minute rant blaming women for everything and trying to claim victimhood status while bullying everyone from posie to Moody to anon accounts.

People like her, stock and bindel are more important because they are smarter and have had enough privilege to focus on an academic career so we should all shut up and listen to them according to Claire.

Her true colours have shone through for all to see

Is Julie Bindel seriously saying we are only allowed to oppose gender insanity on social media if we are prepared to lose our jobs? If so that is insanity, and just doing the TRAs’ work for them.
I’m a single mother with a mortgage. I can’t afford to lose my job by posting anything gender critical in my own name.
If this is really Julie’s stance, I think she’s lost sight of what life is like for ordinary working women. What a disappointment - and what a way to kill the GC movement. Little Owen must be delighted.

Can't stand bekind. Definitely respectful.

You can't kindly disagree.

You can respectfully disagree with everyone.

Yes, I thought respectful debate and respectful disagreement were the hallmark of British politics.

I prefer to #BeRespectful rather than #BeKind, #BeKind suggests suppressing my views because others disagree #BeRespectful implies a mutual responsibility to not be abusive about views that differ

(I didn't mean being kind and sweet to idiots.)

Most everyone I follow on twitter is anonymous as I am myself and I don't feel any need to be unkind or cruel on twitter, nor do I follow anyone who is nasty.

Same here. I follow some lovely anonymous/not anonymous/don't know whether they are anonymous or not accounts. It was disappointing to log on and the first post in my feed proclaimed my worthlessness. You just know some posts are not going to go well, so I resisted.

If you want to be listened to, then you need to say what you need to succinctly and clearly without being unnecessarily rude, which is where FWR comes in - lots of posters that really make you think things through properly before you tweet.

Having said that, I still got blocked by Alice

I think there has been some research about behaviour with anonymity, and it does seem to have a disinhibiting effect

Very possibly, but that depends on what you are normally trying to inhibit in real life. Most everyone I follow on twitter is anonymous as I am myself and I don't feel any need to be unkind or cruel on twitter, nor do I follow anyone who is nasty.

Saludos Dr. Louise.

The suggestion that you should be kind or sweet to idiots doesn't translate well any day, and it translates even less well when the command from those who stand to make money. Even less welcome than that is 20 year old activists calling out older women for not using their own names on social media.

The last few days have been very revealing.

Apparently some publishers expect you to have an activs twitter profile so it might be effectively a job requirement for some.

*It's an addictive habit.

Personally, think anyone with a serious public profile should stay well away fro twitter.*

I think you're definitely right on the first point and possibly on the second. My point though is that, by the time you're published daily in multiple publications across the western world and have several books under your belt, Twitter may be useful to your career, but it's not essential.

Why? Seriously, why would an author with multiple books to her name and articles published daily need Twitter? I don't get that tbh

It's an addictive habit.

Personally, think anyone with a serious public profile should stay well away fro twitter.

I guess when you do have such a profile, and are known for specific, and some might say, predictable views......then it would be easy to feel you have to automatically defend certain types of position. I'm always a little suspicious of people who are saying the exact same things, in the exact same ways, thirty years later.

It is difficult. I don’t post as frankly as I would like on twitter for various reasons. Partly I don’t want abuse, I have PTSD from an assault so would find threats very, very difficult to take. Partly I fear reprisals for the rest of my family, I have young teen daughters, so have to think of them, plus my DH’s work. We have an extremely uncommon name, so are identifiable and it would be easy to find out where we live.

This makes me feel uncomfortable and cowardly, when I see other women getting abusive responses on twitter, and that in itself is hard to to deal with, so the whole thing is very complicated. I want my daughters to see me standing up for women and girls, yet I want to keep us all safe. It is dismal.

Sorry just seen Goose's post. But yes, I was taken aback, as was she, about how they presented that directive to her.

The other anon aspect - my friend recently went back into front line social work and had to sign some sort of disclaimer that she wouldn't say anything political on social media.

Most teachers on Facebook have changed their names to be unrecognisable and undiscoverable as Mrs Doodah even without any GC opinions. We know how university lecturers are held hostage.

I've become extremely opinionated in real life on this and a range of other things in education, but we get regular online harms training and frankly I'm not in a position to not be anon.

As far as anonymous accounts go I’ve never seen anyone with a blue tick complain when anonymous accounts are praising their work, re-tweeting their articles, buying their books, reporting trolls on their behalf, watching their YouTube interviews, and buying tickets to hear them speak. So if they’re okay with all that, it seems disingenuous to only complain when anonymous accounts disagree with or push back against blue-tick accounts. Anonymous accounts aren’t a fan club and they shouldn’t be chastised when they don’t behave like one.

I like Julie Bindel, Kathleen Stock et al but the posts here have done more to open my eyes than anyone on Twitter.

Bindel has disappeared before of her own accord and has then come back (she needs Twitter, obvs!).

Why? Seriously, why would an author with multiple books to her name and articles published daily need Twitter? I don't get that tbh.

With regard to real names - it's also the case that there are people who are required in their work not to make public statements about political issues. They can have private opinions and such but they have to be neutral publicly. (Public servants for example, people in the military sometimes.) The internet just isn't a private space in the sense that they can discuss controversial issues as themselves.

Splitters

We all know who the real enemy is.

The Judean People's Front!

I rather like it that women are bold enough to act like people in public. Though I dislike the tendency to pile on when everything that is worth saying has been said.
I use my name on twitter because I have nothing to lose, so I can afford to be bold.

DrL, I didn't know you picked all
This up from here, cool! Luffs you back!

JB'll come back, Twitter is addictive!

Anon accounts can also whistle blow more from their pov, on the coal face. Anon accounts are necessary.

Another reason I'm anon is that I need to be able to be "under cover" actually in my professional life. I find out more