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Parents force council to suspend transgender advice (Times article)

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Igneococcus · 25/04/2020 06:57

Warwickshire council suspending "Trans toolkit" guidance:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/52809460-8657-11ea-b876-ef9d21d57c48?shareToken=6ba92097e2979fe015f12b4c1da6f12c

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/04/2020 10:08

It's good that this particular Times article makes it clear, by its use of quotes, that it is the presence of males in female spaces which is being objected to, not "trans people".

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/04/2020 10:05

if EHRC were doing their job properly they would have been the ones taking Oxfordshire to court for breaching the sex based rights of girls.

Quite.

truthisarevolutionaryact · 25/04/2020 09:56

Such a good point Michelleoftheresistance .
Do you know, do the Oxfordshire guidelines also recommend that schools can transition children without parental knowledge and consent? If so, I hope that that will be a key feature of the court case as it's the classic example of overreach. Only the courts can remove parental rights / responsibilities yet trans groups are over eager to tell every organisation that this is possible.

Aesopfable · 25/04/2020 09:53

They're hedging their bets and watching the Oxfordshire hearing, aren't they?

If EHRC were doing their job properly they would have been the ones taking Oxfordshire to court for breaching the sex based rights of girls.

Michelleoftheresistance · 25/04/2020 09:43

(And the political trans lobby won't see anything wrong with the above, it is fact absolutely what they believe in. They're going to court to resist even the idea of females being even considered, never mind treated equally.)

Michelleoftheresistance · 25/04/2020 09:42

For this to be found legal, it will have to be stated in law in the UK in 2020 the rights and feelings and the treatment of female children is subordinate and inferior to the rights and feelings and treatment of male children.

They're going to have to put it down in black and white. This isn't a trans issue because the impact upon females is wholly disproportionate to any impact on males. This is where the general public see clearly that this is in fact political male supremacism.

happydappy2 · 25/04/2020 09:37

The top dogs at Stonewall must be feeling slightly nervous now....this will not end well for them. As for Mermaids-they won't last this scandal either.

teawamutu · 25/04/2020 09:33

Maybe the NHS will start getting massive complaints and need to pause there too? I am ever the optimist...

Everywhere needs to get complaints. I'm hesitant to use up time that's needed to counter COVID so would want to get some better informed views on when to approach NHS places, but letters to stores, MPs, councils, the lot.

Little bit of momentum building; let's provide some more push.

teawamutu · 25/04/2020 09:29

They're hedging their bets and watching the Oxfordshire hearing, aren't they?

Does this just possibly suggest something about the amount of consideration they gave to the legal rights and protections of females before implementing the dratted toolkit?

Michelleoftheresistance · 25/04/2020 09:27

Abuse of power and position, and intentional insertion of unmandated, anti democratic law, and intentional avoidance of impact testing and other due process to prevent it interfering with personal political agendas should have gone in there too.

Michelleoftheresistance · 25/04/2020 09:24

When the answer becomes that a public servant team and organisation have been politically captured and therefore can no longer do their job, it's time to close that organisation. They can't respond to FOI requests: they are whole heartedly anti-women and anti-sex based rights, they just can't say so without making it wholly apparent they've abandoned impartiality, abandoned serving the general public as a whole, abandoned serving the interests of any other minority group, and abandoned all national and government policies to be the voice and stealth law-changing unit for a highly niche, extremist political lobby.

A lot of these teams are going to have to be scrapped and something new put in place from the ground up with all newly hired staff and all policies written from scratch, due to their allowing this to happen. It's an appalling failure of government that this has been able to happen at all without being noticed and nipped in the bud.

Winesalot · 25/04/2020 09:23

It leads to more light being thrown onto that whole ‘transphobic’ test too!!!! It really doesn’t stand up to the light.

Maybe Liz Truss’ announcement really had given the councils pause. Maybe the NHS will start getting massive complaints and need to pause there too? I am ever the optimist...

Aesopfable · 25/04/2020 09:10

EHRC had some draft guidance - written by trans groups with no reference to sex based rights. But these were leaked and various foi to ask what women and girls groups were consulted and how their sex based rights were considered (all rejected with pathetic excuses) seemed to have given them pause.

Troels · 25/04/2020 08:47

Love it.

MindTheMinotaur · 25/04/2020 08:20

Thanks for posting. That article states EHRC guidance is overdue by 2 years. I'm shocked that they've stepped back and allowed a vacuum to develop that was filled by advocate groups.

StrictlyAFemaleFemale · 25/04/2020 07:00

Hurrah! One down...