Liz Truss reveals ‘shocking’ plan to remove healthcare for trans youth, slammed as an ‘extraordinary’ attack on equality - the backlash begins

It’s a massive red flag when people try to misrepresent normal safeguarding and consent like this.

On the Gillick point, having a wanted, safe, legal abortion is always less risky than pregnancy and birth to term. Abortion is an intervention that reduces risk compared to forcing a pregnant teenager to stay pregnant against their will. Nor does that abortion destroy her future sexual function, natural fertility or prevent her having future pregnancies and births.

So that’s the opposite to the consent decisions involved around taking puberty blockers or hormonal or surgical ‘transition’, which seem to be both unproven to treat the distress or medical condition that they are prescribed for, and to expose the patient to additional serious health risks and side effects.

No more off label drugs and unnecessary surgeries for children who fail to conform to sex role stereotypes? What a relief that will be for the children.

Some of the madder TRAs are actually positing similar ideas... There is talk of 'non-consensual puberty'

I'm quite sure of it. It's completely the logical end point of TRA ideology. Bodies as commodities, individual choice and total freedom from all consequences/responsibilities. A desire for utter god-like control over reality.

An MP wrote to a government minister complaining that unhappy children are being allowed to go through puberty?

I say we publicize that far and wide.

They're glugging down the Kool-Aid, without ever, not once, looking at the fucking bottle.

It's absolute madness.

There is no such thing as being born in the wrong body.

Also, not only is puberty - an entirely natural, healthy and essential biological process - irreversible. So are puberty blockers and cross sex hormones. And that's rather the point, surely? Whether children who have no knowledge of the importance of the brain development and sexual function that puberty brings can truly consent to irreversibly preventing this natural development?

"I would further highlight to the Minister that the physiological process of puberty is in many ways an "irreversible" process that young trans people are often left to undergo against their wishes due to the inadequacy of trans healthcare..."

Wow. Just Wow. Many people seem to think that Labour would have handled coronavirus better, but this just shows they probably wouldn't with biology deniers like this in the party. It's difficult to think of a way that anyone could balls up more than the Tories on covid-19. But Sultana's email has made me think that they'd probably just be insisting you can identify out of it and don't need PPE or anything like that as long as you feel hard enough inside that you are really truly not infected. Then they'd moan on about how coronavirus had infected people 'without their consent'.

An MP wrote to a government minister complaining that unhappy children are being allowed to go through puberty?

You couldn't write comedy this good.

It's never enough to appease these fruitcakes.

Of course If Zarah thought she would just get head pats and woke points she's very much mistaken.

An MP wrote to a government minister complaining that unhappy children are being allowed to go through puberty?

I say we publicize that far and wide.

Why doesn’t she just come out with it?

-Biology is transphobic,
-Ageing is transphobic,
-Human procreation is transphobic
-Humans as mammals is transphobic.

She should put an amendment down and ask for them all to be classed as hate crimes.

Wow - Labour unelectable for the long term.

It's never enough to appease these fruitcakes.

(snigger)..

I dried not to get pulled into this thread but the liberal narcissism that seems to have infected so many of our institutions etc has been raisin my blood pressure...

Scone too soon.

And with hot cross bun season already over too.

Currant affairs ain't what they used to be.

Sarah Sultana MP accuses us of "hysteria" in a letter to Liz Truss..

That is surely a good enough raisin to go mad with puns.

Maybe ALL kids should be given puberty blockers as a matter of course, and a menu from which they can choose which body parts they fancy buying? Multiple choice, of course. Then we can all have our perfect pick n mix gender! Yay! I'm sure there are some companies who'll be really happy to support this very positive idea and help children to make the right choices.

I'm still gobsmacked at how irresponsible it is to administer these drugs without knowing whether or not the person will ever mentally mature.

A chip off the Dawn Butler block. The arrogant tone is breathtaking. Can't say I've heard anything from Marsha De Cordova, just hoping she's at least slightly more rational, but not banking on it.

If someone was meant to ask me if I wanted to undergo puberty, who precisely was that person?

young trans people are often left to undergo against their wishes

I underwent puberty too. My wishes didn't even come into it! What a scandal!

I just read Zarah Sultana's letter to Liz Truss. It includes this:

"I would further highlight to the Minister that the physiological process of puberty is in many ways an "irreversible" process that young trans people are often left to undergo against their wishes due to the inadequacy of trans healthcare..."

How can an MP write this and not realise that she sounds completely insane?

What worries me is how weak the govt is right now, and how Starmer looks almost like a rational human being to worried voters. If this lot get in, we're scunnered.