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Help me talk to my DD13

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Teenhelpplease · 22/04/2020 01:24

Hi, I could really do with your help.
My DD is nearly 14, she hangs out with a (seemingly nice) group of boys and girls her age.
A few months ago she got together with one of the boys. Again all fairly innocent, they always meet with the group and haven’t really been out alone. DD is fairly embarrassed about it all and doesn’t really want to talk about it.
I rightly or wrongly still check DDs phone from time to time.
Anyway, it seems (from checking messages) they’ve decided to split up and just be friends. Fairly mutual but more from him. Lots of talk from both of how it’s not the same now they can’t see each other, still love you, we can be good friends, let’s see how we feel after lockdown ends and we’ll maybe get back together.
All seems reasonable.
However talk then turned to DD not being keen to ‘wank him off’. He’s full of that’s fine, no pressure etc but then slips in that if she had done it they probably wouldn’t have split up. She then replied that although she doesn’t want to have sex until she’s 15 or 16, she might have done that.
I’m so bloody angry with this boy for manipulating her like this all with a smattering of ‘no pressure but...’
He’s coming across to her as a nice caring boy who would never pressure her and who loves her, but who basically has his needs and if she’s not going to fulfil them then they can’t be together.
Dd hasn’t mentioned any of this to me, not even them splitting up. He’s told her not to tell me until they’ve decided whether the split is final after lockdown.
I just read the thread about the man’s rights to expect sex from his wife and it’s made me so angry.
I want to talk to DD (and I think DS12 should hear it too) without her thinking i’ve read her messages. Was thinking if maybe starting by telling them about the thread in here and then moving onto how manipulating people is utterly unacceptable.
Any ideas of what I can say to a cringing 13 year old?
Sorry this is so long. Am so bloody mad/worried.

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OhHolyJesus · 22/04/2020 09:11

It's a pretty tricky one to broach, let us know how you get on.

Are there any other situations where you compare with her friends, like doing something they like for their birthday but you only do it if you will enjoy it too, IDK like an ice skating party. I guess I'm trying to think of other reasons to be able to raise the subject so you can talk through why people do, or don't do things, how they decide and come to those decisions.

Teenhelpplease · 22/04/2020 08:04

Thanks for replying.
@SonEtLumiere she does know I check her phone but I don’t think she knows I know that she also messages on instagram. I don’t know this boy or his parents. So can’t go with your plan.
Yes @OhHolyJesus I will definitely be talking to my son about this too. I hate the thought of either of my kids pressuring or manipulating people.
I want to be able to empower my DD to see through the ‘it’s only because I love you’ bollocks.

I want to give her the tools to be strong and independent enough as she grows up not to feel she has to, when push comes to shove, placate a bloody man.

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OhHolyJesus · 22/04/2020 07:30

I have no experience with teenagers or daughters but I would find a reason to talk about boundaries and saying no, sticking to what you're comfortable with.

Would it be helpful to say how you can say no even after you've said yes and that you can consent and then withdraw consent? And that consent isn't true consent unless there is no pressure and it's freely given? You could even mention this around having an injection or doing a sky dive or anything really that is about changing your mind.

She must be missing her friends and with phones and tech it can always turn to sexting and sharing pics so maybe you could talk about that somehow and ask if either of your daughters are missing any one in particular.

FWIW I will be having a similar talk when my son is older. The boys are just as responsible as the girls, if not more so.

SonEtLumiere · 22/04/2020 01:53

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