"My 15 yr old trans son is going through menopause - and I'm so proud of him"

"Oh, wait, critical thought is restricted to the feminist forum? Phew, what a relief!"

(It's not, just FYI)

Just realised this thread is in the feminism section,no offense but actually explains the comments now..

You obviously agree with the tone and the actions of this article and believe that this is an example of parenting excellence. This being a parent forum and all. Why? Is it just because you think that the mother is listening to the teen?

just how men benefit Should read ‘just how some men benefit’. Apologies.

Following due to personal interest will post up something personal happening tomorrow

Just realised this thread is in the feminism section,no offense but actually explains the comments now.. Phew

I still don't see how All men should be thrown under the bus for an ideology pushed mainly by women and supported mainly by women.

I don't think anyone is suggesting that. It's not really part of this thread, but there are quite a few people who think that some of the key support for lobbies around this have actually come from groups of predatory males, boy man love proponents and that sort of thing. If true, they would be the ones who are potentially going to benefit in some clear way. There are others who see big-pharma as the ones pushing it. But either way, or if neither is true, clearly most normal women and men agree or oppose it because they think it's best.

But I would suggest to you, before you are too critical of people talking about men as a group, that it isn't fundamentally different than the way you are talking about white women.

Men don't benefit from this downright damaging process

I am sure there is plenty of information on the threads on this board to give you some ideas on just how men benefit from this. Particularly by way of validation of their own need to transition as a starting point.

Perhaps you should start reading the trans activists tweets on twitter to answer that whole ‘it is women pushing this agenda’ belief?

No one knows what journey this woman and her child has walked, nobody knows what they would do in this situation.

Right. But it is also totally irresponsible for this parent to casually say (amongst other things) ‘we are just topping up the vitamins’ to counter just one of the know side effects. This parent has written a glowing account and it sounds like a wonderful bonding experience when you read it.

I still don't see how All men should be thrown under the bus for an ideology pushed mainly by women and supported mainly by women. I don't see this as an issue than men are supporting, I see it as an issue men created through their own hubris, and an issue women are using to create a world with no male influence, which is funny because this is making people more easily subjectable to governmental control, and the abolishing of rights and free will.

Explain to me how me, or my father, or any other male who is generally against this sort of thing, yet for some reason is treated like an enemy by women I dont even know the cause of the issue, which is being pushed by white women in the us with more money than most normal people.

I hate that happy son/dead daughter trope.

It's blatantly manipulative, and manipulating worried parents in that way is a horrible thing to do.

I have fought all my life to prove that I am just as capable as boys in every sense, nothing infuriated me more then being told to let one of the guys carry the heavy thing, or a women cant work that job as they cant cope with the heavy lifting etc), the reality is...

This is me. But the reality is ... I know I can’t lift very heavy objects that men can without injury. Because I have suffered too many injuries trying to prove this. And worked as a manual labourer. I had to eventually acknowledge that female lifting limits at work were there for a reason.

I also don’t understand the constant reference to dressing like the opposite sex. Most schools my daughter attends allows girls to wear trousers and boys shirts. She has always played football and her boy peers also did the same dance classes offered at the school. There actually was nothing she was stopped from doing that boys did/do. So, I do question your ‘Sally/Sam’ case study to be not convincing here. It seems to be revolving around the whole gender stereotyping issue again but I could be missing something.

It also doesn’t address the massive increase in girls who are identifying as having gender disphoria. Why is this happening? Until this has been thoroughly reviewed in-depth, the current treatment seems to be inappropriate and not robust enough in providing independent mental health support first and foremost (from talking with friends who have daughters suffering from GD).

mortforya
Your final sentence is innacurate, deeply irresponsible & contrary to Samaritans & Safeguarding good practice. Please dont leverage possible child suicide this way.

happy son than a dead daughter

Transitioning is associated with a 9-fold increase in suicide

Rumbas, maybe that was his only option, maybe he could not live in a girls body, u must be very small minded if you can't see that

I hate that happy son/dead daughter trope. As if the only options are to do it all or do nothing, imagining that everyone feels the same at 15 as they will at 25 or 45. All parents want to help their children, all parents want their children to be happy, but sometimes that means protecting them from extreme and irreversible decisions made in haste, when they weren’t mature enough or in the right frame of mind to make them.

Tragic and infuriating. This should not be allowed, that poor kid.
Infertile and wrecked sex life without ever understanding the choices she was making.

I do understand the concerns about children regretting the decision in the process. I just feel that's a minority in an already minority group

Between 80 to 95% of children who identify as trans come to terms with their sex after puberty if left. So even if those children don’t come to regret they have still suffered unnecessary harm. They have been sterilised, reduced IQ, heat problems, bone density issues potentially leading to osteoporosis, loss of libido as well as then having the horrendous potent risks of surgery (80% adverse effect rate of phalloplasty) while forever living their life as a lie, never being what they are trying to be and nine-fold increase in risk of suicide because of transition. And all of this for nothing because if left alone they would have been fine.

Then there are the children who suffer all that but also regret...

I never killed myself

A poster here called this woman a stupid selfish bitch.. Seriously you sound so violent and judgemental and quite simply awful. No one knows what journey this woman and her child has walked, nobody knows what they would do in this situation. She is listening to her child and I'm sure she would prefer a living happy son than a dead daughter.

Decent men don’t benefit. Dodgy men do. This is a men’s sexual rights agenda. Read some more of the threads on here. Read up about autogynephilia. Read up about the cotton ceiling.

Course they do.

Think about it.

The majority of sexual offences are committed by men.

These children have under developed bodies due to blockers. Who benefits from children over the age of 16 ( age of consent ) having the bodies if children.

Men do not benefit from young boys being told that its wrong to be male and they should want to be women, and young girls being told its okay for them to be boys and take dangerous hormones. Men don't benefit from this downright damaging process that effects people with mental issues all the time.

The idea that your "true self" should and can be visible on the outside is silly anyway. If I believe my true self plays for the NBA I'm still not going to be 6ft7 and male with excellent hand/eye coordination.

The Safeguarding issues go beyond children identified as transgender. Schools Youth Groups etc are being lobbied to teach gender ideology to children.

Current thread about important court case:

OP MrsSnippyPants wrote:
Good news from Safe Schools Alliance
"We are delighted to announce that a high court judge has looked at the case against Oxfordshire County Council (including their defence) and found that it is arguable that their Trans Inclusion Toolkit is unlawful. The case will therefore proceed to a full trial later this year.

We understand that the Director of Children's Services and the head of the Council's legal department who fully supported the implementation of the kit (which was reviewed & approved by Oxfordshire Safeguarding Children's Board) have either left or are in the process of leaving.

This case is of crucial national importance. If the court decides in favour of the 13 year old girl who is taking legal action, other toolkits and resources that have similar elements, and are supported by Allsorts, Stonewall, and others are likely to also be unlawful.

All the background and press coverage can be found at safeschoolsallianceuk.net We would like to thank the teenager for taking this step to protect the safety, dignity and privacy of all girls."

See their Facebook and Twitter accounts for details."
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3884089-Good-news-from-Safe-Schools-Alliance

Tracy Shaw from Safe School Alliance interviewed by Posie Parker explains the scope of the Safeguarding issues in schools:

Right - not only would that be terrible on the face of it, but the idea that it was a solution would have an effect beyond the individual.

And in some ways we can even see that a bit, it's more and more common for people to talk about cosmetic procedures and such being about showing your real self. Sometimes including rather extreme ones.