Julie Bindel - there-s-nothing-empowering-about-the-sex-work-on-onlyfans

Agree with what you are saying. Healthy relationships are important regardless of sex, biut if you have grown up knowing that your dad is a man, your mum is a woman, and the relationship didn't pan out and your dad was a cunt, it's going to have an affect.

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My sister is the same katesmott

I'm just gonna say horses for courses, and we can cordially agree to disagree I hope, but I don't think that females brought up with healthy female/male relationships, would ever take this path

There may be something in that but it opens up a can of worms I guess. One of the best relationships I know of is a lesbian couple who have twins, one of them has developed severe OCD as a teenager. It would feel wrong to link that back to not having the correct male/female relationships modelled and I know that’s not what anyone is saying here but I know people who also know them who have suggested just that and I find that problematic. Childhood is fraught with difficulty regardless and growing up can be hard. We could pontificate on what’s right or wrong in terms of upbringing ad infinitum.

I know my views aren’t shared by most on here in terms of sex work etc so I’ll bow out now. I don’t want to be antagonistic and I do truly appreciate all points of view and I’m grateful to those who’ve tolerated mine

I also think less of women like your friend, who presumably has plenty of other options, going along with the idea that it's acceptable for women to be paid to used as fuck holes

That is not my opinion at all btw. I think a rocky road has lead these women to this path. There are a lot of factors involved in why women think that this is a valid choice. Mostly it's drugs, which they take because they've been fucked over by men.

Sometimes it is because they need to feel validated by men.

The underlying theme is that it's not 'just a job'. They all got there somehow and it's usually to do with being fucked over by men.

Anyone who thinks they are ethical, business savvy, or any other bullshit spin word, is really just profiteering on the misery of millions of women worldwide and they’re just lucky enough to not do too badly themselves

So they can fuck right off IMO

100% agree. So yes, KatesMott, I do judge your friend.

Sorry if that sounds rude or is offensive in any way at all.

It's just my opinion that probs isn't worth jack shit.

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Sorry if I missed something! Just catching up with replies after writing my biography 😂 If that was for me I didn’t mean to be rude

KatesMott
Are you suggesting I should think less of her because of the choices she’s made?

Not at all. I am suggesting you should think less of men willing to use women as fuck-holes

I would and do think less of your friend. It's got nothing to do with prudery about sex (although the promoters of the "sex industry" love to peddle that myth)

Your friend does women no service at all. I certainly think less of men who think it's acceptable to pay to use women as fuck- holes. I also think less of women like your friend, who presumably has plenty of other options, going along with the idea that it's acceptable for women to be paid to used as fuck holes.

My sister is the same katesmott

I'm just gonna say horses for courses, and we can cordially agree to disagree I hope, but I don't think that females brought up with healthy female/male relationships, would ever take this path

Anyway sorry for hijacking the thread! Thanks for listening to my experiences as much as they are a divergent to the majority. It’s appreciated

No that's ok just ignore me or don't acknowledge me at all for my mistake, that isn't incredibly rude or anything

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I’ve never felt abandoned and I know people who have fathers but have difficult fractured relationships. I can’t say really what the impact of just being brought up with a single mum had as I’ve never known any different so it’s hard to hypothesise. I had a lot of love and support from my mum so I guess I didn’t ever feel I missed out but I know this isn’t the same for others in similar situations.

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Please don’t apologise I absolutely haven't taken any offence and appreciate your question came from a good place and I do appreciate you looking out for me Xx

Oh how embarrassing, you weren't talking to me

Sorry if that sounded sarcastic. It wasn't meant to be.

But you have been abandoned and are seeking male validation by other means. Like I believe alot of women who go into this industry do. It's all comes down to the patriarchy. Page 3, only fans etc.

That's the top and bottom of it.

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I don't think I'm gonna get an honest answer here, but all I can do is ask

I’ve hand on heart answered you completely honestly but realise I’m just a random on the internet and you can choose to believe what I say or not.

@PositiveVibez I would say well done for a good guess but to be honest are there actually any womxn out there who haven't been abused by a male at some point in their lives?

I hope your sister got out of it, she doesn't deserve to suffer and none of us do x

My sister is a single mum to a boy. It's a very hard job when you haven't got support. Believe me, I was her support. But I guessed you had some kind of male abuse in your life.

I am sorry X X

Just for the record if there are any womxn currently in the sex industry on here right now, you don't work for yourself you work for the patriarchy. You work to keep disgusting men satisfied as they use you like they use something in the fridge. Seriously you need to stop, for yourself and for your sisters. You are better than this, you can do better for yourself.

I don't think I'm gonna get an honest answer here, but all I can do is ask

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No father growing up, he left when I was around 3. My mum brought me up single handed and brilliantly despite many detrimental factors. I’ve had nothing but fantastic relations since with men however, both friendships and relationships. Nothing even close to abuse just a lot of love and respect. I wouldn’t settle for anything less in fairness either.

That's what these men see her as. Could pay her a fiver, could pay her £2k. Same job at the end of the day.

Can you please answer my question regarding male role models in your/your friends life?

PositiveVibez

Are you suggesting I should think less of her because of the choices she’s made?

Not at all. I am suggesting you should think less of men willing to use women as fuck-holes

We’ve not mentioned the men at all though and I’ve certainly not given an opinion on them. You did refer to my friend as a ‘wank sock’ and a ‘fuck hole’ however, though you’ll argue that’s the view of the homogeneous mass of ‘men’ you are referring to as the bad guys, but you reduced her to that

katesmott if you are so comfortable and valid in your choices, please tell us what relationships you had with male role models growing up in your life?

Not being goady, but I am interested

Anyone who thinks they are ethical, business savvy, or any other bullshit spin word, is really just profiteering on the misery of millions of women worldwide and they’re just lucky enough to not do too badly themselves

So they can fuck right off IMO

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