Do you find the term/meme 'Karen' an insult?

How can you be for inclusiveness and equal rights (as the Mash Report pretends to be) when you are derisery and sneering contempt at a whole section of society, ie middle aged women.

Quite agree. I hate the smug faux virtuousness.

Seems women or older white women to be specific are under criticism for not being keen on random white blokes calling them Karen to put them down as we should be putting the need for black women to be able to call white women Karen first - or something. I’m struggling to keep up and understand.

Where is the coverage of that Discore/Karen hoax?

Goose I was talking about the Discord/Karen hoax that was exposed a couple of days ago

Oh, I hadn't heard anything about that. I've been avoiding news though, we had a mass killing near me a few days ago and I'm just finding the media coverage too much.

Goose I was talking about the Discord/Karen hoax that was exposed a couple of days ago.

My DD (11) gets called Karen a lot when she points out what she sees s injustices on the yr 6 thread. Never meant kindly.

I had to Google it and got swept into a Twitter hole where I was truly horrified at the racism that it led me to (apparently it's a white thing/on brand to be concerned about CV amongst many other things etc).

Plus the trolls impersonating women are careful to word their tweets in an inflammatory way, eg claiming Karen is exactly the same as the N word, then use those fake tweets to claim white women are racist and tone deaf.

Are you sure these people are always trolls?

I have had some very odd conversations with Americans who I knew were not trolls about certain non-PC language issues.

There are an awful lot of people who have a knee jerk reaction to anything they perceive as “woke”, and so dismiss women calling out sexism and classism as special snowflakes wokesters.

Plus the trolls impersonating women are careful to word their tweets in an inflammatory way, eg claiming Karen is exactly the same as the N word, then use those fake tweets to claim white women are racist and tone deaf.

It would seem not.

So pointing out that a meme that gets weaponised against any and all middle aged women for any spurious reason "makes women look bad?"

Just out of curiosity, is there ANY form of assertiveness that doesn't? Seriously.

WIW, over the past couple of days journalists discovered a weird Twitter hoax where members of a hardcore right wing antifa group named Discord created fake Twitter accounts pretending to be middle aged white women, using profile photos stolen from real women, and tried to spam Twitter with stuff about how “Karen” is racist and sexist. They also created a fake account purporting to be a news organisation.

I’m not sure what their agenda is, but they are hardcore anti-women/MRA and one of the men identified as the leader described himself as an “anti-left prankster.” I believe their motivation is to make women look like, well, like special snowflakes frankly.

A few years ago there was a similar MRA hoax where some men created a load of fake accounts pretending to be feminist activists, and started tweeting about how Father’s Day should be banned for being anti-women, and that let to outcry about how stupid, woke, and anti-men they were. Of course there are women who have made legitimate points about Karen being a slur. But it’s also being weaponised to to make women look bad.

I hate all of these. There are male equivalents " A bit of a Nigel"

Apparently it's a haircut WITH age and ethnicity that indicates entitlement, Dido.

IceCreamWaffles

I didn't think the women in that photo looked like they fitted the 'Karen' stereotype

And which women do fit the "Karen" stereotype? Are you seriously still arguing that "Karen" is a useful tool to identify and name a certain type of behaviour by a specific type of person?

Thanks for sharing Kit19. That article nails it.

Like what does this actually mean?

Women daring to gather together in public while committing the crime of being white and middle-aged. How dare they?

That's a great article.

unherd.com/2020/04/the-sly-sexism-of-the-ok-karen-meme/

The women in that photo could be my Mum and her friends on one of their group holidays.

How callous do people have to be to take a photo of a group of women having fun and share it to mock them for some imagined scenario because they hate their demographic so much? I'd wager that guy would be shocked to be told he was being a misogynist.

Iggi999 Wow, that picture! Pretty much confirms it, doesn't it?
Nothing other than a bunch of middle aged women smiling. That's all you need to be dismissed as a 'Karen'. How anyone doesn't see the sexism and ageism is beyond me.

Is a similar example when people refer to “little Tarquin” to describe a spoiled child of pushy middle class parents?

I didn't think the women in that photo looked like they fitted the 'Karen' stereotype.

I think the "mistake" the women in that photo were making was being out together having a good laugh by the look of it and entirely forgetting that if you're not young and/or in perfect shape you are supposed to be invisible

I doubt that much brain power went into it. 99% of memes are moronic.

I only know lovely Karens

It’s a shame it can’t be reclaimed by fabulous women everywhere...

“I’m Spartacus!”