Do you find the term/meme 'Karen' an insult?

Do you guys also think the term plain Jane is insulting? Billy no mates? Micky finn is bad as well, imagine being called Micky and being associated with slipping drugs into someone's drink.

Genuine question.

Lola, quite a few of us have seen it used to dismiss any older woman, especially on Twitter. That rather overrides the original meaning.

It's a bit like those people who used to insist that "gay" just meant happy and hadn't evolved to mean anything else.

Sigh.
Because they were examples of times I've heard Karen used (namely for a woman who is behaving in a way that is belittling and bullying to shop/service staff).

Some people have seen it used as sweeping way to dismiss all middle aged women for having an opinion or speaking up. I said I'd only seen and heard it used for specific situations and gave examples.

It would be fairly pointless in a discussion surrounding the use of the word Karen as an insult to start listing examples that aren't attributed to it.

"Not being a fan" of is rather weak condemnation, particularly as that poster kept giving examples of "Karen" like behaviour- which oddly were only of middle aged women.

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I never thought it would need spelling out that not being a fan of something and sharing a different experience doesn't mean agreeing with something.

Sissy comes from sister, it would be used to a man usually - meaning they are acting like a woman.

... 'a right Mary Ann'..

Blimey! I haven't heard that for centuries!

... Do you not understand that I have repeatedly said I'm not a fan of the term..

I understand, Lola, because I do read what you've actually written.

I can remember when the term for 'sissy' (I suppose that would be Cicely in origin) was 'a right Mary Ann' or 'Pamela'. No different to any other name - that was sort of the point.

Do you not understand that even if an individual was behaving in the way you describe using the blanket term "Karen" is still wrong?
Do you not understand that I have repeatedly said I'm not a fan of the term including the post you've just quoted from?!

Your reply has literally just illustrated what I've just said here:
Despite explaining this and saying I'm not a fan of the term was enough to be reprimanded for not agreeing with some hive mind

Sure enough
Me: I've only seen the term used in this way. I don't like it but just explaining how I've seen it used seems to be enough to get reprimanded on here.
You: Don't you understand? Let me patronise you by educating you on how wrong the thing you've said you don't agree with is.

(Bangs head against brick wall)

I'd only heard it used with regards to a woman who is belittling and bullying towards shop workers/service staff. Despite explaining this and saying I'm not a fan of the term was enough to be reprimanded for not agreeing with some hive mind

Do you not understand that even if an individual was behaving in the way you describe using the blanket term "Karen" is still wrong?

There is a perfectly adequate word to describe the conduct. It's "bully". A "bully" can be any age, race or either sex. And has the benefit of being unambiguous about what is being described.

Or from this thread people have also heard it used in different circumstances that isn't a blanket insult to all middle aged women and there's a difference between explaining an alternative experience of a term and agreeing with its use.

I'd only heard it used with regards to a woman who is belittling and bullying towards shop workers/service staff. Despite explaining this and saying I'm not a fan of the term was enough to be reprimanded for not agreeing with some hive mind. Heaven forbid someone shared a different experience.

It's quite clearly used by people, often men, to sneer at all middle aged women and dismiss everything they say

Judging from what I've read on MN, including this thread, there are plenty of women happy to use as well.

It's quite clearly used by people, often men, to sneer at all middle aged women and dismiss everything they say. As if what women say has no value. It's shitty casual misogyny.

Kyle is the male equivalent just so you know. Scumbag Steve was also a popular one.
I worked in hospitality and retail. Always got a lot of kyles and steve's in hospitality and a lot of Karens in retail. I would say be mad at the people going into retail making a scene, not the people joking about them on social media. I still remember a really agro woman shouting at me while heavily pregnant about why my manager was taking so long to come out from the office, even though I'd phoned through right in front of her so there was really nothing I could do 🙄

That motherkaren post tho'.. it was like one of those shitty books that are full of product placements, non?

The smell of Charlie was still in his nostrils as he looked at his Rolex watch; it was time to pick up the kids in the Bentley but he would have to stop off at Vulgari the jeweller....cont. pg 94

@FredericcaPotter ‘Wendy’ originates from a MN post about a woman called Wendy. We can’t really call her anything else just to avoid sexism, because that’s what she was called

Absolutely - and genX is by far the coolest demo.

Thanks, I had googled but couldn't find anything.

The Discord/Karen hoax was being covered by the British journalist Kate Maltby who has been tweeting about it, and there was also an extensive article about it in Forbes a few days ago.

Or Kodie, I had an abusive message from a Kodie today after posting here previously on another name. All the trolls are flocking to this thread.

Again, where is the media coverage of the Discord/Karen hoax? I'm usually pretty up on my internet news, that particular one has passed me by.

If you don't like being called a Karen, just sign out of Facebook on your Samsung Galaxy 6. Not that hard?
Translation: if you don't want to get sexist comments, stay off the internet, otherwise put up and shut up.

Lol no.

You're a wee gem ^motherkaren* aren't you?

Now off you fuck.

If you don't like being called a Karen, just sign out of Facebook on your Samsung Galaxy 6. Not that hard? I'm forty-two, drive a Range Rover & a mother of two. If I see any inappropriate messages from Nia, Loren or Kenzie... I just sign off my Motorola 67. Hope this helps!