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Woah, the accepting of male and female chromosomes on the BBC!

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justanotherneighinparadise · 11/04/2020 11:09

Blow me down with a feather. I’m listening to the BBC’s global podcast covering Coronavirus and they are covering a scientific report that discusses why males are more susceptible to the virus than women and that’s because the female has two chromosomes from each parent and the male, just the one.

So in a global pandemic we’re allowed to talk about biological sex and the fact that we are indeed different? No pronoun jibber jabber, just hardcore facts.

Nearly fell off my chair.

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I0NA · 11/04/2020 11:34

Someone tweet this to JF though cos apparently women arent pulling h their weight and that's why more men are dying

No Sarah, it’s only cis women who aren’t pulling their weight. Trans women are out there working as intensive care nurses, anaesthetists, hospital cleaners, emergency dentists, retail workers, bin collectors, delivery drivers, ambulance crew and utility company workers.

They are not all sitting at home tweeting, flicking their hair and being brave and stunning.

They are keeping the country running.

Or something like that.

R0wantrees · 11/04/2020 11:31

Someone tweet this to JF though cos apparently women arent pulling h their weight and that's why more men are dying

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/a3869907-Jane-Fae-The-coronavirus-death-rate-for-men-is-high-possibly-because-women-are-not-pulling-their-weight-in-the-crisis

R0wantrees · 11/04/2020 11:30

10/4/2020 Janice Turner for The Times
'Coronavirus exposes gulf between the sexes
There’s a cruel irony in the fact that men, for all their superior strength, are dying in greater numbers than women'

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"And in a pandemic that double X is a true blessing: one X chromosome in a cell can spot the invading virus, while the other X works on killing cells that are infected already. With just a single X and a weedier Y, men lack that double-barrelled protection. Moreover, higher levels of testosterone in men, says Dr Moalem, repress the immune system, while oestrogen stimulates it.

How extraordinary that it took Covid-19 to expose the absurdity of an utterly unscientific argument gaining mainstream traction, and posed as recently as the Labour leadership election, that biological sex is not real but an artificial construct, randomly “assigned” to babies at birth. In fact, sex is coded in our very cells and, as this epidemic reveals, can affect our odds for life or death.

Yet despite these stark differences there has been a paucity of sex aggregated data to help fight the virus and find a possible cure. The Lancet argues this week that “obscuring sex and gender differences in treatment and vaccine development could result in harm”. In Invisible Women, the author Caroline Criado Perez exposed how the default patient in medical research is invariably male, as women with their variable hormone levels are thought to skew data. As Dr Moalem writes: “The medical establishment has largely overlooked the profound chromosomal, hormonal and anatomical uniqueness of genetic females.”

Already, The Lancet notes, the lockdown burdens of impoverishment, housework, care for children and the elderly have fallen disproportionately upon women, while there has been a global rise in domestic violence.But the virus itself is killing more men and this male fragility is a terrifying shock."

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/coronavirus-exposes-gulf-between-the-sexes-rsc69njkv?shareToken=f194e7faf4ff3011666661116493599a&wgu=270525_54264_15865970780505_d44ec2608f&wgexpiry=1594373078&utm_source=planit&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_content=22278

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www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3877193-janice-turners-times-column-today

SarahTancredi · 11/04/2020 11:25

Let's not kid ourselves though hey

It only matters cos more men are dying...

Someone tweet this to JF though cos apparently women arent pulling h their weight and that's why more men are dying

justanotherneighinparadise · 11/04/2020 11:23

And saying the word ‘woman’ as though we were actually a chromosome defined sex!!!!

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ChocAuVin · 11/04/2020 11:21

I’d remarked the same to myself!

Funny how science suddenly matters Smile

SarahTancredi · 11/04/2020 11:20

Crikey....

Sex finally matters for something.. will their be an apology?

Pertella · 11/04/2020 11:19

Yes, but a Y chromosome can just be an X with a leg missing. Are you saying that 1 legged people arent humans, huh?

Ableist AND transphobic

I0NA · 11/04/2020 11:17

But what about the jelly baby spectrum? Are the BBC literally erasing the thousands of possible genders ?

It’s almost as science matters 🤭

andyoldlabour · 11/04/2020 11:12

Just shows that they can talk sense when they have to, when it involves science involving pandemics. However, I fear that it won't be long before they are talking about clownfish and the like.

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