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Rory Stewart says 'male prisoners self-identified as females and raped prison staff'

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MrsSnippyPants · 10/04/2020 13:17

In this month's issue of GQ apparently. Is this true?!

twitter.com/RevStu/status/1248336587831808000?s=20

Rory Stewart says 'male prisoners self-identified as females and raped prison staff'
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Angryresister · 12/04/2020 10:57

I am so angry that this has happened to women working in prisons but surprised this has not come out before. Anyone able to do a FOI on this? Is the Prison Officers Union saying anything? I really hope the ministry will now stop this shit happening ,if anyone is taking any at the moment. Is the Mail the only paper reporting?

R0wantrees · 12/04/2020 10:21

clouding male patterned criminality disadvantages all of us

Dr Julia Long spoke about this & therefore the importance of naming men in 2017 WNTT speech following the assault of Maria Maclachlan by T Wolf at Speakers' Corner.

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extract:
"So why then is it important to make this distinction between sex and gender and why is it important to name men as men? Naming men as man was such a vital part of the women's liberation movement and feminist scholarship back in those early days. There were lots of books that had 'silence' in the title or essays that had 'silence' in the title because it was about women breaking the silences of our own lives and naming who was doing what to whom, and then seeing that there were patterns of this and that is how feminist theory emerged. So it's really crucial to name men as men because that is how we develop an understanding and an analysis of patriarchy. That's how. If we can't name men as men then we can't name patterns of male violence, we can't name who is in control.

So naming men as men, then, enables us to answer these kinds of questions: Who controls economic, social, political and cultural systems and institutions? In whose hands does this kind of economic and social and political power lay? Well, if we can name men as men then we can see exactly where it lies. And it also helps us to answer the question, who's doing what to whom? And so again, over decades, feminists have answered that question in terms of looking at what we know women are subjected to under patriarchal power relations between women and men: femicide, female infanticide, sex-selective abortion, female genital mutilation, rape, sexual assault, domestic violence, poverty, economic disadvantage, prostitution, pornography, discrimination, objectification - I'm thinking here in addition to all the sex industry, but just the normalised objectification of high heels and make up and cosmetic surgery and all of this stuff - illiteracy - hugely more of the world's poor and illiterate are women rather than men - denial of reproductive rights, exploitation of reproductive and domestic labour ... I mean that was just a kind of quick list off the top of my head. Also, historically we can think about foot-binding, and I think we need to think about things like chest binding in relation to these factors, and also of course, witch-burning, and we've got a nice little example [referring to protesters outside chanting 'burn it down']... fortunately, touch wood, they haven't gone quite that far yet, but in terms of 'kill all TERFs' I think there is certainly echoes of former persecution of women, in terms of the current ... oh, it's gone a bit quiet there ... in terms of the current persecution by our friends outside." (continues)

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R0wantrees · 12/04/2020 10:10

I'd love to have a chat with Rory, I wish he was my MP so he would have to talk to me as a constituent.

Prior to the CV 19 crisis Rory Stewart was spending evenings/overnight stays with people living in London in order to listen to their concerns.

OhHolyJesus · 12/04/2020 09:41

So are all the male prisoners who think they are/pretend to be women in Banstead Surrey, or are there prisoner of this type housed in women's prisons up and down the country?

If the latter then what was the point of bounding a special 'trans' wing of a women's prison and whilst they are kept separate from the female prisoners is it still maximum security for prisoners who have committed sex-related crimes?

I'd love to have a chat with Rory, I wish he was my MP so he would have to talk to me as a constituent.

Lordfrontpaw · 12/04/2020 09:28

(I was going to mention Denis Nielsen and his male bodies... he was a criminal and he did have male bodies)

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 12/04/2020 09:25

I really hope that if some poor woman has been raped at work that it becomes a domino which puts an end to the nonsense that people like Karen White and Paris Green should be housed anywhere near our society's most vulnerable women.

This is state sanctioned rape.

ThinEndoftheWedge · 12/04/2020 09:20

criminals with male bodies Well... I’m not going to say it as I met get put on the naughty step... but you know what I’m thinking...

Seeing it’s Easter and the sun is shining on the naughty step - I’ll say it.

Men men men.

I am happy to call transwomen transwomen - but if they rape and sexually assault as men, then they are men - clouding male patterned criminality disadvantages all of us.

Cuntysnark · 12/04/2020 09:18

Another thank you for the sunlight. I hope it’s accurate.

Lordfrontpaw · 12/04/2020 09:13

It’s in the Mail today.

happydappy2 · 12/04/2020 09:10

He states there were situations, plural not singular, so more than one female prison guard was raped? And Karen White, yet STILL male bodied adults are in prison with women-this is sickening

Datun · 12/04/2020 09:10

In response to concerns about the situation, the Prison Service last year established a dedicated wing for housing some trans inmates at women's jail HMP Downview near Banstead, Surrey.

Was the point of the extra wing being housed in a woman's prison, to pretend that they are actually women? Why the separate wing, in that case? Are they really, seriously saying that these are women with penises, women with male bodies?

The pandering is off the bloody scale.

Lordfrontpaw · 12/04/2020 08:31

criminals with male bodies Well... I’m not going to say it as I met get put on the naughty step... but you know what I’m thinking...

HorseRadishFemish · 12/04/2020 08:30

.. criminals with male bodies...

Is accurate reporting.

Lamahaha · 12/04/2020 08:18

'The important thing is: I think the rights of women to feel safe trump the rights of somebody who's biologically male to enter that space.'

There. It's been said, out loud, by a leading politician.

Datun · 11/04/2020 06:25

I think he has a knack for picking up on the public mood at the precise point just before everyone else realises there 'is' a mood,

Well the tide is definitely turning.

alloutoffucks · 11/04/2020 02:25

If true, it hasn't necessarily being brushed under the carpet. Lots of women who have been raped by men decide not to take it further because they can't face a trial and in this case the press, and what that would mean. The press then can't report it if no one is actually charged, it would just be a rumour.

TheCumbrian · 10/04/2020 23:13

RS has form fo creative waffling, inrxactitudes and unsupported allegations

I think he has a knack for picking up on the public mood at the precise point just before everyone else realises there 'is' a mood, and running with it before other politicians catch on. He's a very intelligent man when it comes to reading between the lines, he just can't get people to take him seriously because he flits about too much and sounds like JRM lite.

NearlyGranny · 10/04/2020 22:57

RS has form fo creative waffling, inrxactitudes and unsupported allegations. He twice asserted on BBC Radio 4's Any Questions programme on 01 Feb 2019 that 12 year olds (plural) armed with knives were killing people. This was in support of new UK legislation. I hunted highh and low through police and government stats looking for even one such killing and found none. Of course I knew that, if true, the press and other media would have had a field day and the world woukd have known.

I contacted the BBC and RS directly as well as my own MP (Cons) asking for evidence to back the assertion or for RS to retract it. Nobody gave me the courtesy of a reply.

RS is not a man to be relied on to tell the truth. I had been impressed with him prior to this episode and was sadly disappointed.

Datun · 10/04/2020 22:30

I think as prisons minister he did open the first wing for transgender prisoners

Well that's a step in the right direction. I'm just getting mixed messages.

Although, I'm willing to believe that the entire gender critical understanding is a process and takes time for a lot of people.

Prisons, however, I wouldn't have thought so. There's not a single part of me that understands how you can put a man in a woman's prison. It absolutely smacks of total bias in favour of the men, and not giving the women an iota of thought.

TheCumbrian · 10/04/2020 22:30

People can change their minds. Lots of us started off trying to be nice and 'TWAW'.

You also have to remember that the replies you get to emails aren't often from the politicians themselves but from their staff.

However , as one of his former constituents (I usually post on FWR under another name but this is a bit outing) and in a professional capacity I have had to email him in the past about a number of different issues and his staff were very helpful and on the ball every time, but not once did he reply himself as per OhHolys email.

scottishbride · 10/04/2020 22:22

I think as prisons minister he did open the first wing for transgender prisoners

BusyProcrastinator · 10/04/2020 22:17

During his campaign for leadership, he was asked about trans issues and he waffled on about 'this is about listening and ...it's about love'.

i.e. will say any ambiguous shit when it suits him.

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Lordfrontpaw · 10/04/2020 20:33

I missed that Datun 😡

zanahoria · 10/04/2020 20:33

so what was he doing about this when he was prisons minister?

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