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Transphobic attitudes contradict the good feminism does everyday

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Blamonge · 08/04/2020 21:49

Why is there such a large portion of the feminist movement so against trans culture. Trans people have been some of the biggest advocates for supporting allegedly oppressed groups. Why is it suddenly okay to for feminists (a formally oppressed group) to oppress trans people (currently oppressed group) why?

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TehBewilderness · 16/04/2020 01:43

Here is my current favorite thing:
Apple pie cinnamon rolls

Ingredients

For the dough:
1 package yeast about 2 & 1/4 teaspoons
1/2 cup lukewarm water
1/4 cup sugar
1/2 cup warm milk
1/3 cup melted butter
1 egg room temperature
1 1/2 teaspoons salt
4 1/4 cups all-purpose flour
Apple pie filling:
5 granny smith apples peeled and diced
1/2 cup sugar
5 tablespoons melted butter
2 tablespoons butter room temperature
1 cup brown sugar
2 tablespoons ground cinnamon
1/2 teaspoon apple spice optional
Cream Cheese Icing:
4 tablespoons butter room temperature
1/4 cup cream cheese softened
1 1/2 cups powdered sugar
1/2 teaspoon vanilla extract

Instructions

For the dough: Combine lukewarm water, 1/4 cup sugar and yeast in a small bowl and set aside for for 8-10 minutes or the mixture begins to bubble and the yeast has begun to active.
In a large bowl whisk the melted butter, egg, warm milk, and salt. Add the yeast mixture and then slowly whisk in 1 cup of flour then another cup. The mixture will begin to thicken, switch from the whisk to a wooden spoon, gradually add the rest of the flour and continue mixing until the flour is fully combined. The turn the dough onto turn dough to a floured surface and knead for 5 minutes. Place the dough in a greased bowl and cover with plastic wrap, place in the microwave or oven ( turned off) for 90 minutes. Begin working on apple filling.When the dough has risen, remove the cover and punch it down then remove from the bowl. Roll out on a floured surface into a 16x24 inch rectangle. Spread the 2 tablespoons of butter at room temperature evenly over the dough keeping 1/2 inch from the edges. Mix the brown sugar with the cinnamon and sprinkle evenly across the butter. Spread the apple mixture over the brown sugar as evenly as you can. Roll into a log, starting from one end to the other, lengthwise, so the log is 24 inches. Cut 2-inch slices, this will give you 12 cinnamon rolls or 3-inch slices for 8 big cinnamon rolls. Line a 9x13 baking pan with parchment paper and place the rolls on the paper about 1 inch apart. Cover with plastic wrap and allow to rise for 1 hour. About 20 minutes before the rolls are done rising heat the oven to 375 degrees. Bake the rolls for 20 minutes or until the edges are golden in color. Allow the rolls to cool for at least 15 minutes then top with cream cheese frosting and serve warm!
Apple pie Filling:
While the dough is rising begin working on the apple filling. Heat a large skillet to medium/high heat and add 5 tablespoons of butter and stir until melted. Add the apples and sugar and saute until the apples are lightly caramelized. Remove the skillet from heat and set aside until you are ready to use.
Cream Cheese Frosting: Mix cream cheese, butter, powdered sugar, vanilla, and salt together with an electric or stand mixer on medium speed until the icing is light and fluffy.
TehBewilderness · 16/04/2020 01:42

I replied in good faith to the troll on another thread. Criminy my trolldar sucks.
Easy fruit curd
cream 8-12 oz caster sugar with 6oz butter until light and fluffy. add 3 eggs one at a time. The amount of sugar depends on the sweetness of the fruit juice. 12 oz for lemon, 8 for raspberry.
If you intend to use this for a cake you need to bloom 1 teaspoon of gelatin and set aside.
Add 4oz of fruit juice and 1 tablespoon of lemon juice to egg mixture then cook and slow and low stirring often to 190*. I use the mixer bowl over a pan of water but a heavy sauce pan works fine. Add the bloomed gelatin at the end. Pour into storage jars and let sit at room temp for a while before refrigerating. Makes about 20-24 oz.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/04/2020 00:47

But first, please share an obscure pudding from your childhood. We could go through all the bigot accusations and weird redefinitions of material facts, but why not just cut to the chase and tell us what you ate for pudding when you visited grandma?

Good call Grin

Rainbowmummies28 · 16/04/2020 00:44

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FloralBunting · 16/04/2020 00:43

But first, please share an obscure pudding from your childhood. We could go through all the bigot accusations and weird redefinitions of material facts, but why not just cut to the chase and tell us what you ate for pudding when you visited grandma?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/04/2020 00:38

they lack the substance to their arguments and the intelligence for civilised debate

That applies to very few people on this thread. So go on. What's your argument, and we can debate it?

Rainbowmummies28 · 16/04/2020 00:32

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Nelliana · 16/04/2020 00:18

I do agree that there are a large group of so called feminists that are quite bigoted towards the trans community

Thats nice dear.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/04/2020 00:13

Ok, I am going to risk being banned and confess that I eat my rice pudding warm with cinnamon sugar and butter.

Me too! I don't like cold rice pudding.

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MissHoskins · 15/04/2020 23:51

@rainbowmummies28
If there was ever a time to say RTFT, this is it.

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YinMnBlue · 12/04/2020 22:49

@Blamonge
I am not against ‘trans culture’ (whatever that is... I can’t tell you what ‘cis culture’ might be, either.
I am pro people living peacefully without harassment as they see fit. Present as a woman or a man, decline to be gender conformist: great, that is what I have done as a non feminine ‘tomboy’ all female feminist all my life. I am not against people who are trans. I don’t know any feminist or other sensible person in RL who is.

I am against legal self id that gives anyone who chooses and for whatever reason, access to sex-based rights.

I am against TRAs who declare me ‘transphobic’ for having the temerity to define myself in terms of sex and to refuse to have gender given a legal status that is higher and more powerful than my identity as the female sex.

I am against women being denied a chance to win in women’s sports because male bodied people are allowed to compete.

I will always speak out against the abuse, harassment and prejudice against people just for being trans.

But the sex based oppression of women remains real and I will not concede sex based rights.

Fimofriend · 12/04/2020 22:11

Ok, I am going to risk being banned and confess that I eat my rice pudding warm with cinnamon sugar and butter.

Michelleoftheresistance · 12/04/2020 14:57

if transphobia should be an -ist rather than a phobia

'sexist' does not mean saying no to/displeasing/refusing to unconditionally obey and prioritise a particular sex

'racist' does not mean saying no to/displeasing/refusing to unconditionally obey and prioritise someone of a particular race

ist is no more sensible than phobia. Heretic is what is actually meant.

TheBewildernessisWeetabix · 11/04/2020 20:07

if transphobia should be an -ist rather than a phobia, does that make us transistors?

That seems right.

This thread has cured me of whatever residual envy I once had as a child for those who bought the hot lunch instead of my brought lunch of PBJ on white bread & an apple.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/04/2020 18:58

She says that it possibly sounds like the same thing, thank you Grin

Danceswithwarthogs · 11/04/2020 18:48

But also a bit like an over baked brownie

Danceswithwarthogs · 11/04/2020 18:47

I’d say biscuity Grin

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/04/2020 18:45

Thanks Dances. What does it taste like? Would you call it "biscuity"? I will try your recipe out soon and see if she recognises it from childhood!

Danceswithwarthogs · 11/04/2020 18:35

(Chocolate crunch sounds posher)

Danceswithwarthogs · 11/04/2020 18:34

I don’t know, I was a Yorkshire school dinners child in the 80’s, always choc concrete for us

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/04/2020 18:29

I'm here with my mum (she's stuck here with me for the whole of lockdown as she lives abroad and can't get home) and she says she remembers a chocolate crunch? Which was apparently like a chocolate biscuity thing and you had it with tinned peaches and chocolate custard. Is the chocolate concrete the same thing, do you think? This is in the south.

Cascade220 · 11/04/2020 18:04

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TinselAngel · 11/04/2020 17:56

I've never seen that before. It doesn't look very nice.

Love the person falling in a barrel of treacle story though.

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